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Postby wellington_street » Tue Nov 26, 2013 12:43 pm
So I rode down Murray Street this morning and noticed that CoP are making cycle lanes in both directions. I assume they extend all the way to William from the Freeway.
Will be a handy east-west route, however I'm not sure what West Perth people do when they hit the freeway? Turn left into Elder then right into George (nasty on such a steep grade)?
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Re: Perth CBD
Postby CycleSnail » Tue Nov 26, 2013 2:07 pm
Murray St
On – road cycle lanes
Between Thomas St and George St - create on road cycle lanes in an east and west bound direction, treatment at various intersections for bicycle priority
CoP/ Main Roads WA
$100,000
Murray St
Pedestrian priority zone
Between George St and Elder St – create a pedestrian priority zone on the existing northern footway with associated signage for slow cyclist speeds and pedestrian priority through the area
CoP/ Main Roads WA
$14,000
Murray St
Integrated Cycling Route
Between Elder St and William St - create an integrated cycling route with associated road markings and signage to create a shared zone between motorists and cyclists
CoP/ Main Roads WA
$30,000
Murray St
Integrated Cycling Route
Between Barrack St and Pier St - create an integrated cycling route with associated road markings and signage to create a shared zone between motorists and cyclists
CoP/ Main Roads WA
$25,000
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Re: Perth CBD
Postby wellington_street » Tue Nov 26, 2013 2:30 pm
CycleSnail wrote:CoP has a bunch of programs in the "Cycle Plan Implementation Program" relating to Murray Street, all planned for 2013/14:
Murray St
On – road cycle lanes
Between Thomas St and George St - create on road cycle lanes in an east and west bound direction, treatment at various intersections for bicycle priority
CoP/ Main Roads WA
$100,000
I'll believe it when I see it.
So westbound cyclists will need to cross Murray St, get on the northern footway to cross the freeway, then cross again to the southern side to proceed westbound?CycleSnail wrote:Murray St
Pedestrian priority zone
Between George St and Elder St – create a pedestrian priority zone on the existing northern footway with associated signage for slow cyclist speeds and pedestrian priority through the area
CoP/ Main Roads WA
$14,000
Damn freeway entrance causing trouble.
And at this "pedestrian priority zone" rubbish again.
Well it has cycle lanes (between Milligan and William at least) so that's not a "shared zone between motorists and cyclists".CycleSnail wrote:Murray St
Integrated Cycling Route
Between Elder St and William St - create an integrated cycling route with associated road markings and signage to create a shared zone between motorists and cyclists
CoP/ Main Roads WA
$30,000
Removing the existing cycle lane eastbound.CycleSnail wrote:Murray St
Integrated Cycling Route
Between Barrack St and Pier St - create an integrated cycling route with associated road markings and signage to create a shared zone between motorists and cyclists
CoP/ Main Roads WA
$25,000
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Re: Perth CBD
Postby wellington_street » Tue Nov 26, 2013 11:19 pm
Had a better look on the way home.CycleSnail wrote:Murray St
Integrated Cycling Route
Between Elder St and William St - create an integrated cycling route with associated road markings and signage to create a shared zone between motorists and cyclists
CoP/ Main Roads WA
$30,000
Cycle lanes in both directions between Elder and Milligan.
Mixed traffic operation east of Milligan. The eastbound cycle lane just ends at the stop line with no warning and no real room to merge. At least there's a bicycle symbol in the centre of the lane after the intersection, indicating to drivers that we should be there.
After reaching the end of Milligan I went left into William - the stop line at Wellington is now set back by around 10m to allow for buses turning into William St. Idiot motorists seem to struggle with it.
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Re: Perth CBD
Postby Rusty6149 » Thu Nov 28, 2013 1:50 pm
1) Parking bays to the left of the cycle lane could lead to getting doored
2) The entrance to the QV1 carpark is less than ideal - motorists crossing from the east-bound side of the road will be focusing on oncoming car traffic, not bikes.
3) Manhole cover in the centre of the lane towards Elder street has not been treated - will be a bumpy ride.
4) The lane just ends at Elder Street, with no direction as to what cyclists should do. The curb has been lowered, so I guess you go onto the path.
I need to get from Elder Street to the Kwinana PSP, so I have 3 choices at this point:
1) Use the Pedestrian crossings under the freeway, and then up past the IBM building - 6 sets of lights
2) Use the footpath up Elder Street - steep, narrow and at least 4 hidden driveways - 3 sets of lights
3) Cycle up Elder Street itself, minding vehicles entering from the driveways, and traffic that still thinks it is on the freeway - 3 sets of lights
None of them are great choices.
I think things are slightly better in the Eastbound direction, at least until Milligan Street. The cycle headstart at the lights will no doubt cause issues with motorists wanting to get ahead of cyclists, and those motorists wanting to turn left, across the the path of cyclists.
Sometimes I wonder if Perth City takes its cycle path guidlines from here:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/pete.meg/w ... the-month/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Perth CBD
Postby wellington_street » Fri Nov 29, 2013 12:18 pm
I would argue that the westbound cycle lane is unnecessary as it is downhill and riders have been riding in mixed traffic prior to that section.
The extra width freed up by removing it could then be used to widen the eastbound cycle lane to reduce the dooring hazard.
I haven't had a close look - is there any legal way for westbound cyclists to proceed across the freeway? I saw the traffic lane has a "left turn only" requirement but couldn't see what exception was marked for bicycles, if anything.
I had a good at that link - some real quality right there!
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Re: Perth CBD
Postby ikm » Fri Nov 29, 2013 4:47 pm
Rusty6149 wrote:Sometimes I wonder if Perth City takes its cycle path guidlines from here:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/pete.meg/w ... the-month/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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So funny
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Re: Perth CBD
Postby wellington_street » Fri Nov 29, 2013 7:38 pm
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Re: Perth CBD
Postby wellington_street » Mon Dec 02, 2013 11:39 am
West of Milligan Street is just mixed traffic riding - had more issues from idiot pedestrians trying to cross in front of me than any vehicles.
Couple of close shaves earlier on my ride - I think I need to be more assertive in claiming the lane through the narrow bits.
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Re: Perth CBD
Postby wellington_street » Thu Dec 05, 2013 9:54 pm
There's probably some u-rails deep down in the basement somewhere but that's completely inappropriate for the average cyclist stopping by after work for some groceries.
Have sent them an email expressing my unhappiness with the situation and letting them know I'll be shopping elsewhere.
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Re: Perth CBD
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Re: Perth CBD
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Re: Perth CBD
Postby Rusty6149 » Fri Dec 06, 2013 5:04 pm
Maybe you just have to "promise" to put them in at some indeterminate point in the future.
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Re: Perth CBD
Postby wellington_street » Fri Dec 06, 2013 6:03 pm
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Re: Perth CBD
Postby wellington_street » Tue Dec 10, 2013 1:41 pm
CycleSnail, do you know anything about this project? Will cyclists be allowed to use William Street?Buses-only for busy city road
Yolanda Zaw, The West Australian
Updated December 10, 2013, 2:30 am
One of Perth's major thoroughfares may be closed to general traffic and turned into a bus-only road under a State Government proposal being considered by the City of Perth.
The Public Transport Authority has proposed that the section of William Street, between Murray Street and Hay Street malls, be gradually converted into an exclusive bus, cycle, pedestrian and taxi zone where private vehicles are prohibited.
The three-stage process is expected to begin next month when Riverside Drive is permanently closed to make way for the Elizabeth Quay project.
The PTA suggests that new turning lanes be created on William Street to divert traffic from the section between the two malls and installing five bus stops on the western side of the road.
Buses that now run along Barrack Street will be re-routed on to William Street.
The final stage, scheduled for the 2015-16 financial year, would involve Barrack Street being opened to two-way traffic and William Street closed to private vehicles.
The PTA believes the plan will concentrate bus priority to one street and improve overall public transport efficiency in the CBD.
The City of Perth is expected to give conditional approval to the proposal when council meets tonight.
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Re: Perth CBD
Postby CycleSnail » Tue Dec 10, 2013 5:39 pm
Bicycles will be allowed to filter through, in a similar manner as they are now allowed in Hay Street and Murray Street malls. I do not think the details have been worked outwellington_street wrote:http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/ne ... city-road/
CycleSnail, do you know anything about this project? Will cyclists be allowed to use William Street?Buses-only for busy city road
Yolanda Zaw, The West Australian
Updated December 10, 2013, 2:30 am
The Public Transport Authority has proposed that the section of William Street, between Murray Street and Hay Street malls, be gradually converted into an exclusive bus, cycle, pedestrian and taxi zone where private vehicles are prohibited.
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Re: Perth CBD
Postby wellington_street » Tue Dec 10, 2013 6:00 pm
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Re: Perth CBD
Postby wellington_street » Sat Feb 07, 2015 3:00 am
http://www.mra.wa.gov.au/documents-medi ... r-2014.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Look at page 24 of the doc, showing the ped and cycle routes through the City Link development. Screenshot below:
Not a single north-south cycle route connection - when did this happen? MRA were supposed to be replacing the Milligan St bridge with a better facility but now there's nothing?
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