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Pumps - Mini and Floor
Postby senator52 » Sat Mar 03, 2007 10:32 pm
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Postby heavymetal » Sun Mar 04, 2007 10:29 am
Around $60. It saves having to buy 2 pumps. They were only $40 when I got mine a few yeas back.senator52 wrote:Approximately how much should i expect to pay for the Topeak? Just to gain an idea. Appreciate the advice
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Postby mikesbytes » Sun Mar 04, 2007 12:21 pm
Personally I'll stick to my pocket rocket mini pump and full on floor pump.
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Postby Mulger bill » Sun Mar 04, 2007 8:52 pm
Had the first flat on thenewone, barely a week
Minipumps are bloody hard work on 700c tyres, what can anybody tell me about those CO2 bomb things?
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Postby mikesbytes » Sun Mar 04, 2007 10:15 pm
Crappy minipumps are bloody hard work. Get a good minipump such as the pocket rocket and you will eat your threadjackMulger bill wrote:[threadjack]
Had the first flat on thenewone, barely a week
Minipumps are bloody hard work on 700c tyres, what can anybody tell me about those CO2 bomb things?
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Postby stryker84 » Sun Mar 04, 2007 10:54 pm
i.e., only about 20 mins each day.
running 700x28 wheels
do i really need both a floor pump and the much praised pocket rocket? or should a compromise mini pump like the Topeak mentioned hold me in reasonable stead, at least until i get more serious with riding? (i.e., when i get fitter and actually manage to ride a reasonbale distance without busting my lungs and start thinking of a leaner meaner road machine)
PS. I can probably guess the answer, but what are thoughts on simply riding to the servo, setting the tyre pump to 100psi and plugging in?
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Postby europa » Sun Mar 04, 2007 11:22 pm
If you use the servo, you're hoping the servo's guage is accurate - remember, it takes very little air to make big changes to pressure in a bike tyre and the bang of over inflating is quite entertaining.
You'll appreciate a mini pump the first time you're sitting on the side of the road with a flat tyre.
People ride long distances without flats. You can take the risk if you like, on the assumption that if you get a flat, you've got a messy recovery, but if that doesn't happen very often, maybe it isn't an issue (lock the bike, bus home and get the car, ring the trouble and strife, hail a taxi, toss the bike into the weeds and take up wind surfing). However, if you intend to fix it on the side of the road, you need some sort of pump. If you're commuting, buy a cheap bike pump and carry it in your pannier or back pack. You can buy cheap mini-pumps from Big W that sort of do the job, enough to get you going anyway.
Buy a good floor pump, worry about the other one when you can either afford it or it pisses you off on the side of the road one day. Personally, I bought a good min-pump for the Europa the day after I carried her a km home after a puncture
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Postby MJF » Mon Mar 05, 2007 8:59 am
Seriously, the small compressors (direct drive) are so cheap now (< $100), it's worth getting one. Apart from the tyre inflator, get an air duster as well - useful for moving bar grips, drying off the chain after it's been cleaned, scaring the cat...
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Postby mikesbytes » Mon Mar 05, 2007 9:17 am
Whats the max the compressor can do ?MJF wrote:Mini-pump on the bike. Pilot 12.5CFM compressor at home... (What can I say? I play with cars as well...)
Seriously, the small compressors (direct drive) are so cheap now (< $100), it's worth getting one. Apart from the tyre inflator, get an air duster as well - useful for moving bar grips, drying off the chain after it's been cleaned, scaring the cat...
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Postby heavymetal » Mon Mar 05, 2007 11:06 am
Richard is right here. I only use the Road Morph as both because I only need 70 psi max, which this pump is capable of quite easily. If you need a lot higher pressure, then get a good home floor pump.europa wrote:Buy both. You can't maintain your tyres properly if you don't have a decent pump and much as I respect Kev's recomendation, I'd be wary of something that is supposed to do both. Buy a good floor pump, not a cheapy - cheapies don't last and you'll wind up buying a good one anyway.
The road morph is a good pump, and is one of the longest lasting pumps I have had apart from my spare $10 Kmart special which is 5 years old and still works. I carry 2 pumps on the road as I had one explode once.
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Postby mikesbytes » Mon Mar 05, 2007 11:19 am
Makes sense, considering where you ride. For city riders like me, one is sufficient as if it failed, you would borrow someone else pump. Another option for those on racers is to carry a small adaptor that converts it to car style valves, then you could borrow a pump off a 4WD jockey in the middle of no-where or use the servo.bicyclewa wrote:I carry 2 pumps on the road as I had one explode once.!
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Postby MichaelB » Mon Mar 05, 2007 11:41 am
Oh where do we obtain one of those ? Then I can use my existing mini pump that I already havemikesbytes wrote:bicyclewa wrote: Another option for those on racers is to carry a small adaptor that converts it to car style valves, then you could borrow a pump off a 4WD jockey in the middle of no-where or use the servo.
Whch brings me to my second question - why do "race bikes" with the 700-23 et al tyres use the "french valve" over the normal road valve - pressure capability of just physical size ?
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Postby Bnej » Mon Mar 05, 2007 11:43 am
I have a BBB windgun pocket pump too, which takes forever to pump up the tyre and is really hard work to get to 60 psi let alone 85.
If you have high pressure 700c tyres, you need a thinner, longer pump so you can still get air in against the high pressure in the tyre. If you have fatish (1.5" or larger) 26" tyres that don't go to 100 PSI, then I reckon a foot pump is better, because you have a lot more volume of air going in with each pump.
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Postby europa » Mon Mar 05, 2007 11:54 am
I've seen wars started over this question.MichaelB wrote:Whch brings me to my second question - why do "race bikes" with the 700-23 et al tyres use the "french valve" over the normal road valve - pressure capability of just physical size ?
Partly it's tradition.
Partly it's all sorts of arguments about the relative virtues of both valves.
Nowadays, with narrow and deep rims on a lot of racers, I think you'll find the long, skinny presta valve just makes more sense because you need a smaller hole.
One of the big advantages of the presta valve is that it is easy to press the pin to release the stopper on the valve. Some people recommend you do that anyway, just to break the seal. Depending on your pump, a schraeder (the car type) relies on air pressure to break that seal (though some pumps will also physically push the pin down). But the arguments for both can make a long and sometimes grumpy thread.
Personally, I'll be using presta for the forseeable future ... because the Black Beast and the lad's bike are set up for them The Europa will continue with her schraeders because she's set up for them (and being a different sized wheel, it's not a problem having the two different sets of tubes on hand).
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Postby MJF » Mon Mar 05, 2007 12:55 pm
My one - around 140psi, but even the small ones go to around 120psi.mikesbytes wrote:Whats the max the compressor can do ?MJF wrote:Mini-pump on the bike. Pilot 12.5CFM compressor at home... (What can I say? I play with cars as well...)
Seriously, the small compressors (direct drive) are so cheap now (< $100), it's worth getting one. Apart from the tyre inflator, get an air duster as well - useful for moving bar grips, drying off the chain after it's been cleaned, scaring the cat...
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Postby MichaelB » Mon Mar 05, 2007 2:14 pm
Friend has just bought one of them, and he is more than happy.mikesbytes wrote:Floor pumps are pretty cheap now days.
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Postby heavymetal » Mon Mar 05, 2007 2:27 pm
Yes but we put an end to the Presta vs Shrader debate, with our dual tube invention Run one of each tube in the same rimeuropa wrote:I've seen wars started over this question.
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