See the analysis here: http://cyclingtips.com.au/2014/01/tour- ... -san-luis/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;biker jk wrote:The TdU has world tour status while the Tour de San Luis is category 2.1. So why would teams send more of their best riders to the latter rather than the former? Cadel Evan's stage win at the TdU is indeed among his best.Alex Simmons/RST wrote:
Keep in mind that more of the world's best are racing in Argentina at the moment (another early season training race for most of them) than at the TDU and it''s still early season training for a large portion of the field.
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Postby briztoon » Fri Jan 24, 2014 8:51 pm
I love an Aussie winner. I also love an Aussie "battler". I find it hard to like Cadel, partly because he's so aloof, even when he wins, and partly for the "throwing the toys to of the pram" sulks and tantrums when things don't go his way during races.
It's so much easier to like riders such as Gerrans and Durbridge (and Impey even if he is a saffa).
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Postby biker jk » Fri Jan 24, 2014 9:20 pm
Quintana, Nibali, Rodriguez versus Evans, Porte, Gerrans in terms of GC contenders suggests the two events are pretty even. The chart based on rider points is for the top 10. Moreover, the articles mention that the Tour de San Luis is padded out with non-World Tour teams and the competition isn't as intense. Thinks about Paris-Nice and Tirreno-Adriatico which clash in terms of timing. Would you argue that Porte's win wasn't a career highlight because Nibali wasn't there?nezumi wrote:See the analysis here: http://cyclingtips.com.au/2014/01/tour- ... -san-luis/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;biker jk wrote:The TdU has world tour status while the Tour de San Luis is category 2.1. So why would teams send more of their best riders to the latter rather than the former? Cadel Evan's stage win at the TdU is indeed among his best.Alex Simmons/RST wrote:
Keep in mind that more of the world's best are racing in Argentina at the moment (another early season training race for most of them) than at the TDU and it''s still early season training for a large portion of the field.
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Postby clackers » Sat Jan 25, 2014 10:12 am
Welcome to TV sport, Schroeds. Ads subsidise the bills in South Australia and you get to see the event for free instead of behind a paywall like the EPL or cycling on Foxtel Eurosport.schroeds wrote:Bloody ads on Channel 9 are driving me crazy grrrr
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Postby RonK » Sat Jan 25, 2014 10:25 am
No problem, just use ad skip. Eliminates ads, the irritating Ch9 host, TV cooks, SA tourist promos, and multiple race summariesclackers wrote:Welcome to TV sport, Schroeds. Ads subsidise the bills in South Australia and you get to see the event for free instead of behind a paywall like the EPL or cycling on Foxtel Eurosport.schroeds wrote:Bloody ads on Channel 9 are driving me crazy grrrr
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Postby queequeg » Sat Jan 25, 2014 10:36 am
Watching the highlights last night meant I couldn't skip the ads, and boy were there a lot of ads! in fact, I think there were more ads than cycling, and they came thick and fast! I reckon I only saw 15min of actual cycling, if that!RonK wrote:No problem, just use ad skip. Eliminates ads, the irritating Ch9 host, TV cooks, SA tourist promos, and multiple race summariesclackers wrote:Welcome to TV sport, Schroeds. Ads subsidise the bills in South Australia and you get to see the event for free instead of behind a paywall like the EPL or cycling on Foxtel Eurosport.schroeds wrote:Bloody ads on Channel 9 are driving me crazy grrrr
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Postby RonK » Sat Jan 25, 2014 10:50 am
I was working (of course) so recorded the live coverage. The most annoying aspect was when they interrupted the live coverage to show the four (or was it five) race summaries.queequeg wrote:Watching the highlights last night meant I couldn't skip the ads, and boy were there a lot of ads! in fact, I think there were more ads than cycling, and they came thick and fast! I reckon I only saw 15min of actual cycling, if that!
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Postby schroeds » Sat Jan 25, 2014 11:18 am
Exactly.... and who is thatchannel 9 meatloaf interrupting Paul and Phil. .. Does he know anyhing about cycling. .. looks like they grabbed him off a rugby league show.. Come back SBSqueequeg wrote:Watching the highlights last night meant I couldn't skip the ads, and boy were there a lot of ads! in fact, I think there were more ads than cycling, and they came thick and fast! I reckon I only saw 15min of actual cycling, if that!RonK wrote:No problem, just use ad skip. Eliminates ads, the irritating Ch9 host, TV cooks, SA tourist promos, and multiple race summariesclackers wrote: Welcome to TV sport, Schroeds. Ads subsidise the bills in South Australia and you get to see the event for free instead of behind a paywall like the EPL or cycling on Foxtel Eurosport.
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Postby clackers » Sat Jan 25, 2014 12:07 pm
Gilbo is from rugby. He's doing the traditional role of being a transition from the ordinary bloke on the couch to the specialised commentators.schroeds wrote: .. looks like they grabbed him off a rugby league show..
Melanie McLaughlin is doing the same thing for cricket on Channel Ten.
When the SA govt and Santos have to justify their funding of the TDU to the voters and the shareholders, they will try to argue they get advertising exposure on a mainstream commercial network to a mainstream audience.
If that story's not bought, things get more difficult for Oz cycling.
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Postby clackers » Sat Jan 25, 2014 1:37 pm
No money in niche audiences, anyway, Schroeds.schroeds wrote:If they repel their core viewing audience things might get more difficult too.
Before the Ch9 experiment in broadening the appeal of cycling finishes (I'm pessimistic) CA and the TDU should gleefully accept their cash while they can.
Except for individuals, cycle sport fans will watch anyway.
They watch the TDF even though Sean Kelly and co don't do the commentating, it's Phil and Paul who admit they pitch to non-cyclists.
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Postby RonK » Sat Jan 25, 2014 8:13 pm
Cadel's comment about letting OGE "use up lots of energy" chasing sprint time bonuses was a tactical error in a race which has been decided by them in the past.AndrewCowley wrote:Well I think Cadel took Gerrans too lightly today up Willunga Hill. Attacked way too early whereas Gerrans did the smart thing. Suppose hindsight is wonderful, but not sure why Cadel didn't sit on Gerrans' wheel instead.
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Postby cyclotaur » Sat Jan 25, 2014 8:38 pm
Possibly, but you can only use the tools you have and today Gerro's tools were better than Cadel's.RonK wrote:Cadel's comment about letting OGE "use up lots of energy" chasing sprint time bonuses was a tactical error in a race which has been decided by them in the past.AndrewCowley wrote:Well I think Cadel took Gerrans too lightly today up Willunga Hill. Attacked way too early whereas Gerrans did the smart thing. Suppose hindsight is wonderful, but not sure why Cadel didn't sit on Gerrans' wheel instead.
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Postby Uncle Just » Sat Jan 25, 2014 8:43 pm
I think you meant another great 5 minutes of racing. Nothing happens of note until the last time up Willunga.Another great days racing.
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Postby Red Rider » Sat Jan 25, 2014 8:48 pm
Agreed, it was a tactical error probably due to Porte getting away, Evans must have thought Porte may take the Ochre jersey. Not sure Evans took Gerrans too lightly though. When Evans was starting the climb he looked pretty tired, teeth showing. As you say, hindsight mandates he should have stayed on Gerrans wheel.AndrewCowley wrote:Well I think Cadel took Gerrans too lightly today up Willunga Hill. Attacked way too early whereas Gerrans did the smart thing. Suppose hindsight is wonderful, but not sure why Cadel didn't sit on Gerrans' wheel instead.
OGE rode it to perfection, Gerrans did a magnificent job all week.
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Postby danny the boy » Sun Jan 26, 2014 9:17 am
AndrewCowley wrote:Well I think Cadel took Gerrans too lightly today up Willunga Hill. Attacked way too early whereas Gerrans did the smart thing. Suppose hindsight is wonderful, but not sure why Cadel didn't sit on Gerrans' wheel instead.
The climb flattens out at the top, Gerro would outsprint Cadel on the flat section everyday of the week. Many are saying there was a head wind on the way up and as soon as Richie dropped Cadel he had to do extra work, he needed more team mates to help him up as far as they could like on the corkscrew. I think Porte riding away like that was a big surprise based on what he had done in the race so far.
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Postby Alex Simmons/RST » Mon Jan 27, 2014 11:58 am
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadel_Evan ... hievements" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;biker jk wrote:The TdU has world tour status while the Tour de San Luis is category 2.1. So why would teams send more of their best riders to the latter rather than the former? Cadel Evan's stage win at the TdU is indeed among his best.Alex Simmons/RST wrote:
Keep in mind that more of the world's best are racing in Argentina at the moment (another early season training race for most of them) than at the TDU and it''s still early season training for a large portion of the field.
I can see at least a dozen race achievement (more really) that far far are more significant than his stage win at the TDU. Sure, it was a good win, fantastic ride, he rode his guts out, and made for great viewing. But it wasn't one of his best.
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Postby Alex Simmons/RST » Mon Jan 27, 2014 12:29 pm
Not just the GC. Check out stage specialists and the sprinters.biker jk wrote: Quintana, Nibali, Rodriguez versus Evans, Porte, Gerrans in terms of GC contenders suggests the two events are pretty even. The chart based on rider points is for the top 10. Moreover, the articles mention that the Tour de San Luis is padded out with non-World Tour teams and the competition isn't as intense. Thinks about Paris-Nice and Tirreno-Adriatico which clash in terms of timing. Would you argue that Porte's win wasn't a career highlight because Nibali wasn't there?
While ever the race is so early in the year, it will always be one part competitive / one part training. That's just a fact of the dominance of the European calendar. In some ways that's part of the charm of the event.
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Re: TDU telecast times on 9/GEM
Postby Toolish » Tue Jan 28, 2014 10:20 am
She has done it a lot better though. Seems to know what she is talking about pretty well.clackers wrote: Melanie McLaughlin is doing the same thing for cricket on Channel Ten.
Can not remember the last time a triathlon was shown in any sort of good time slot. Cycling gets way better coverage than Tri.schroeds wrote:Quote abit ofniche sport makes itonto daytime tv eg triathlon.
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Postby nezumi » Tue Jan 28, 2014 2:39 pm
Hmmm, true. I remember as a kid, watching triathlons/iron man all the time on channel ten. Haven't seen it so much of late.Toolish wrote:Can not remember the last time a triathlon was shown in any sort of good time slot. Cycling gets way better coverage than Tri.schroeds wrote:Quote abit ofniche sport makes itonto daytime tv eg triathlon.
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