tram track = first serious cycling accident
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tram track = first serious cycling accident
Postby NewieComuter » Mon Feb 10, 2014 10:43 pm
I was traveling down Spencer st, Melbourne and there was a slow moving cyclist on a cell phone in front of me. I decided it would be ok to cross a tram track, I.e. parallel to the direction I was travelling, to over take the slow cyclist as another cyclist had just done this. There were no trams or cars nearby and it was dry. I gave the approach to the track a decent angle and crossed over just fine. However when crossing back something happened, I am not sure what exactly, I think my front tire made if over ok, but then I remember the sound of sand scrapping (against metal ?) and I went over my handle bars.
I have been commuting for 4 years without incident till now, however I am new to Melbourne and tram tracks. Many cyclists seem to casually cross the tracks here, so whilst I knew they were dangerous I didn't know how dangerous. I though I had approached with a big enough angle....
Anyway, I have read a few tram track related fall stories on these forums but they were generally not as serious a mine, so I thought I would share. I managed to dislocate and fracture my shoulder. I went into surgery the day after the accident where the installed three screws into my shoulder before putting back in place. Recovery is 6 weeks in a sling. Two weeks in, my right shoulder is still useless.
No doubt an experienced local wouldn't have had this accident, but who knows....
Tram tracks are nasty!
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Re: tram track = first serious cycling accident
Postby Summernight » Tue Feb 11, 2014 10:57 am
They probably would if they weren't concentrating. Tram tracks are very nasty for bikes.NewieComuter wrote:No doubt an experienced local wouldn't have had this accident, but who knows....
Tram tracks are nasty!
Heal well!
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Re: tram track = first serious cycling accident
Postby clackers » Tue Feb 11, 2014 11:05 am
Going back across the track has to be at a wide angle, too!NewieComuter wrote:
No doubt an experienced local wouldn't have had this accident, but who knows....
Hope everything works out in the end.
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Re: tram track = first serious cycling accident
Postby Mulger bill » Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:05 pm
Apart from getting a good angle, one thing that has worked so far for me (touch wood) is to lift the front wheel very slightly as it's about to cross the line. Naurally it's not gospel and depends on the situation but IMO it's the front wheel losing it that puts you down.
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Re: tram track = first serious cycling accident
Postby Calvin27 » Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:26 pm
I've only every been 'stuck' once - thankfully it was a slow mo clipstack and not going at speed.
My approach now is to cut hard on the entry, and shift weight . Start with weight at rear (as the front crosses over) then shift weight to the front to allow the rear to cross - most times just taking some pressure off the tyres is enough not to get bogged in the tracks. Make sure your rear wheel has passed the tracks before you correct to a straight line - this is what gets most people I think.
I also occasionally will do a bunny hop. People usually look at me funny when I do that as most roadies will freak out at the thought of any impact on their one-spoked 10g carbon wheels. I say let the bike serve me not me serve the bike! besides, if it breaks, I can buy a new set of wheels and explain to the new set what a failure the last ones were!
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Re: tram track = first serious cycling accident
Postby human909 » Tue Feb 11, 2014 3:06 pm
I would consider myself an experienced local. I regularly ride in between them and cross over them often. However I have gotten caught once when I was a little careless. I wrenched the rear wheel out of the track without crashing but I ended up damaging the cup in the hub. A few months later the cup sheared off completely and the wheel was toast.
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Re: tram track = first serious cycling accident
Postby il padrone » Tue Feb 11, 2014 7:12 pm
Yes. This is what works for me.Mulger bill wrote:Damn, heal well and quickly Newie.
Apart from getting a good angle, one thing that has worked so far for me (touch wood) is to lift the front wheel very slightly as it's about to cross the line. Naurally it's not gospel and depends on the situation but IMO it's the front wheel losing it that puts you down.
I hardly ever ride near tram tracks, but have done a fair bit in the past. Treat them like a log-hop on a MTB. Stay away from them and aware at all times. 40-50cms is fine as long as you can maintain straight-line riding. If you do need to cross them, do a flick to place your front wheel at a wider angle, but at the same time, do a gentle, 'bunny-hop' style, unweighting of both your wheels (jump your body up a little) and flick your bike sideways. Thus lifts your wheels across and avoids:
1. tyre contact with slippery, often wet, steel,
2. the tyre descending into the slot.
Both of these are the nasty bits about tram tracks. Also at intersections that have multiple tracks be very aware and try to ensure you cross as close to 90 degrees as possible.
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Re: tram track = first serious cycling accident
Postby cyclotaur » Tue Feb 11, 2014 8:21 pm
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Re: tram track = first serious cycling accident
Postby Toyopet » Tue Feb 11, 2014 9:07 pm
I regularly ride across tram tracks at bad locations where the tram turns around the corner. Burwood Rd/Power St Hawthorn, Swan St/Church St Richmond, High St/Cotham Rd Kew. Crossing them at a slight angle is almost unavoidable. On 23mm tyres it can be scary, especially in the wet. I always lift the front wheel when crossing. But I have got the back wheel caught a few times outbound at Kew. Probably because it’s uphill and I still had too much weight on the back wheel after the front wheel went across. Managed to escape every time so far without wheel or tyre damage.
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Re: tram track = first serious cycling accident
Postby gabrielle260 » Tue Feb 11, 2014 9:27 pm
No matter how often I ride roads with tram tracks I am super careful and hope I always will be!
Best wishes for your recovery.... Shoulders are painful and the rehab is tough... Good luck!
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Re: tram track = first serious cycling accident
Postby RonK » Mon Feb 24, 2014 10:37 am
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Re: tram track = first serious cycling accident
Postby Summernight » Mon Feb 24, 2014 10:54 am
Pretty sure all trams use sand (modern and the older ones)... The second or third newest tram model (the one before the Melbourne made one that they are currently spruiking and prior to the 'bee' model) has the sand in a part of the sidewall near the front and as a passenger you can see the sand level through the perspex on the wall. I used to wonder why they had a sand 'artwork' in a tram.cyclotaur wrote:The old W class trams used to (still do..?) use sand to aid braking and it ends up on the tracks. Unfortunately this makes even a dry crossing of tracks problematic. Extra care required where the City Circle Tourist Tram travels runs ..
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Re: tram track = first serious cycling accident
Postby DavidS » Mon Feb 24, 2014 11:20 pm
All trams drop sand. If you have ever tried to stop 50 tonnes with metal wheels and metal tracks you will know why. The other thing about the sand is that they will drop sand when the track is slippery but not wet, for example pine needles on Lygon St near the cemetery and Dandenong Rd in autumn. Any tram, apart from a W class, will automatically drop sand when emergency brakes are applied. In the W it is all manual.
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Re: tram track = first serious cycling accident
Postby human909 » Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:44 am
But yes if you riding alongside them and you cross while not deliberately dealing with then its a big danger.
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Re: tram track = first serious cycling accident
Postby jules21 » Fri Feb 28, 2014 2:19 pm
what i tend to do on my roadie is whip the bike across them - shift my body weight (centre of gravity) over the tracks, while not changing the trajectory of my bike, then whipping the bike across - bringing it back into line with my CoG.
the whipping action is done with no change in CoG and therefore no lateral load on the tyres. this - in combination with the short period of time that the tyres engage with the steel tracks as they are whipped across - guarantees* that you will not slide out.
* there are no guarantees in life, but it's a reliable technique. maybe not so much in the wet though.
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Re: tram track = first serious cycling accident
Postby foo on patrol » Fri Feb 28, 2014 2:52 pm
My first Junior road race had Cane Tram Lines every were in one stage and they got between 20 and 28 riders all up.
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Re: tram track = first serious cycling accident
Postby RonK » Fri Feb 28, 2014 3:13 pm
Yeah, almost as bad as pick-a-plank bridges...foo on patrol wrote:Tram tracks oh yeah they bring you down real hard and quick.
My first Junior road race had Cane Tram Lines every were in one stage and they got between 20 and 28 riders all up.
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Postby foo on patrol » Fri Feb 28, 2014 7:03 pm
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Re: tram track = first serious cycling accident
Postby il padrone » Fri Feb 28, 2014 7:43 pm
+1jules21 wrote:what i tend to do on my roadie is whip the bike across them - shift my body weight (centre of gravity) over the tracks, while not changing the trajectory of my bike, then whipping the bike across - bringing it back into line with my CoG.
Yes, the 'flick and whip' technique that I described above. It takes a little practice and good confidence but does work.
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Postby trailgumby » Fri Feb 28, 2014 8:28 pm
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Re: tram track = first serious cycling accident
Postby pacra » Fri Feb 28, 2014 9:41 pm
Normanby Rd where the tram turns into Balaclava. Almost impossible to cross at greater than 30 degrees. Combined with a dip between the tracks. In the wet, absolutely diabolical. I have donated skin at that intersection.
A kilometre away, the grand union at Hawthorn and Balaclava. Crossing the intersection in any direction you go over four sets of tracks, two of which are turning tracks at an oblique angle. Dynamite in the wet.
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Re: tram track = first serious cycling accident
Postby il padrone » Fri Feb 28, 2014 9:47 pm
"An unjustified and unethical imposition on a healthy activity."
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Re: tram track = first serious cycling accident
Postby phineas » Fri Feb 28, 2014 11:30 pm
If I ever ride down in Melbourne I think I'll be getting off and walking my bike across
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