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Qantas bike carton weight
Postby petermccallum » Fri Feb 28, 2014 2:55 pm
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Re: Qantas bike carton weight
Postby RonK » Fri Feb 28, 2014 3:50 pm
But it's very difficult to get the weight of a touring bike and luggage under 23kg, no matter how you organise it - even if you load your cabin bag with heavy stuff (and they don't weigh it).
It's really not worth the trouble juggling baggage - Qantas (and Virgin) now allow you to pre-purchase an additional 23kg baggage allowance for $30. This means there is no hassle packing and no risk of being slugged exorbitant excess baggage charges at the airport.
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Re: Qantas bike carton weight
Postby mitchy_ » Fri Feb 28, 2014 3:55 pm
it's not bike and luggage combined. if you've paid for excess baggage/a bike, you get 23kg each for your luggage and the bike box.RonK wrote:Not sure, but at a guess around a kilogram.
But it's very difficult to get the weight of a touring bike and luggage under 23kg, no matter how you organise it - even if you load your cabin bag with heavy stuff (and they don't weigh it).
It's really not worth the trouble juggling baggage - Qantas (and Virgin) now allow you to pre-purchase an additional 23kg baggage allowance for $30. This means there is no hassle packing and no risk of being slugged exorbitant excess baggage charges at the airport.
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Re: Qantas bike carton weight
Postby RonK » Fri Feb 28, 2014 4:44 pm
Isn't that what I said (if you buy an extra allowance)?mitchy_ wrote:it's not bike and luggage combined. if you've paid for excess baggage/a bike, you get 23kg each for your luggage and the bike box.RonK wrote:Not sure, but at a guess around a kilogram.
But it's very difficult to get the weight of a touring bike and luggage under 23kg, no matter how you organise it - even if you load your cabin bag with heavy stuff (and they don't weigh it).
It's really not worth the trouble juggling baggage - Qantas (and Virgin) now allow you to pre-purchase an additional 23kg baggage allowance for $30. This means there is no hassle packing and no risk of being slugged exorbitant excess baggage charges at the airport.
BTW, buying a bike box does not buy an extra allowance.
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Re: Qantas bike carton weight
Postby mitchy_ » Fri Feb 28, 2014 4:59 pm
not quite. a bike box is considered under your normal checked baggage; but if you take luggage and a bike box, you have 2 items. unless you're allowed 2 items to begin with (ie. business), the bike needs to be paid for as excess baggage.RonK wrote:Isn't that what I said (if you buy an extra allowance)?mitchy_ wrote:it's not bike and luggage combined. if you've paid for excess baggage/a bike, you get 23kg each for your luggage and the bike box.RonK wrote:Not sure, but at a guess around a kilogram.
But it's very difficult to get the weight of a touring bike and luggage under 23kg, no matter how you organise it - even if you load your cabin bag with heavy stuff (and they don't weigh it).
It's really not worth the trouble juggling baggage - Qantas (and Virgin) now allow you to pre-purchase an additional 23kg baggage allowance for $30. This means there is no hassle packing and no risk of being slugged exorbitant excess baggage charges at the airport.
BTW, buying a bike box does not buy an extra allowance.
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Re: Qantas bike carton weight
Postby RonK » Fri Feb 28, 2014 5:33 pm
I'm talking about the combined weight of a touring bike and touring luggage - panniers, rack bags, handlebar bags, and their contents, not the number of airline baggage pieces.mitchy_ wrote:not quite. a bike box is considered under your normal checked baggage; but if you take luggage and a bike box, you have 2 items. unless you're allowed 2 items to begin with (ie. business), the bike needs to be paid for as excess baggage.
The concept of excess baggage is somewhat redundant now. A few years ago it was $10 per kilogram of excess, which could cost a packet if you checked in with overweight baggage. I've been slugged more than $100 in the past (by Jetstar, thanks very much).
Now, the option is to buy an extra piece in advance for $30, or at the check in desk for $40 - either way that gives you a full extra allowance which at the old excess baggage rate would have cost more than $200.
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Re: Qantas bike carton weight
Postby onrbikes » Fri Feb 28, 2014 5:47 pm
Sounds a lot, which it is, but I usually take a knife to it and get rid of 700g of excess cardboard..
I usually tie a rope to the bike now and have a bit hanging out where the little handles are. That way the bike supports the box.
If they use the handles they inevitably rip.
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Re: Qantas bike carton weight
Postby il padrone » Fri Feb 28, 2014 8:11 pm
I'd like to see the rule that says a box must be used. Thirty years back we always rolled our bikes in with just the handlebars turned and pedals reversed/removed. There was no concern about damage. The box was introduced mainly to prevent damage/marking to other luggage, mainly from people who had really dirty chains. A simple bag wil provide the protection against marking luggage and weigh a lot less. We flew to Italy and back with Ground Effect Body Bags. One recommended technique used in Europe is the CTC Polyethylene bag - easily packed and carried on your tour; clear, allowing baggage handlers to recognise it as a bike that needs to stand up; and cheap enough to replace each tour.
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Re: Qantas bike carton weight
Postby mitchy_ » Fri Feb 28, 2014 8:20 pm
oh right, sorry. thought you were talking about luggage in general.RonK wrote:I'm talking about the combined weight of a touring bike and touring luggage - panniers, rack bags, handlebar bags, and their contents, not the number of airline baggage pieces.mitchy_ wrote:not quite. a bike box is considered under your normal checked baggage; but if you take luggage and a bike box, you have 2 items. unless you're allowed 2 items to begin with (ie. business), the bike needs to be paid for as excess baggage.
The concept of excess baggage is somewhat redundant now. A few years ago it was $10 per kilogram of excess, which could cost a packet if you checked in with overweight baggage. I've been slugged more than $100 in the past (by Jetstar, thanks very much).
Now, the option is to buy an extra piece in advance for $30, or at the check in desk for $40 - either way that gives you a full extra allowance which at the old excess baggage rate would have cost more than $200.
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Re: Qantas bike carton weight
Postby petermccallum » Sat Mar 01, 2014 9:30 pm
Has anyone had experience of taping/glad wrapping two panniers together and checking them as a single bag?
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Re: Qantas bike carton weight
Postby RonK » Sat Mar 01, 2014 9:44 pm
Best is to put them in one of those cheap stripey carry bags.petermccallum wrote:Thanks for the info. So if I budget for around 3kg for the box I should be able to carry around 20kg inside it. That's great. I may be able to get away with just one pannier as checked luggage.
Has anyone had experience of taping/glad wrapping two panniers together and checking them as a single bag?
But perhaps you have missed from our previous discussion that if you check in two pieces you'll have to pay for the extra piece, so there is no point scrimping unless you can fit everything in the bike box and carry on bag.
You may get away with tying panniers together as carry on luggage.
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Re: Qantas bike carton weight
Postby Derny Driver » Sat Mar 01, 2014 10:11 pm
You could put the panniers in a wheel box and claim it as part of the bike?RonK wrote:Best is to put them in one of those cheap stripey carry bags.petermccallum wrote:Thanks for the info. So if I budget for around 3kg for the box I should be able to carry around 20kg inside it. That's great. I may be able to get away with just one pannier as checked luggage.
Has anyone had experience of taping/glad wrapping two panniers together and checking them as a single bag?
But perhaps you have missed from our previous discussion that if you check in two pieces you'll have to pay for the extra piece, so there is no point scrimping unless you can fit everything in the bike box and carry on bag.
You may get away with tying panniers together as carry on luggage.
Last time I took a cycling team to New Zealand we found a loophole in the regulations. We took wheel boxes with our bikes and put a lot of stuff in them. The rule said that a bicycle can be transported in 2 separate boxes ( a bike box and a wheel box) and still classified as 1 bike box. In Sydney and Auckland they tried to charge us excess and we had to show them the rule on their own website using our phones.
This was the rule. Air New Zealand site.
Sporting equipment
Sporting equipment is defined as a bag or piece of equipment obviously dedicated to the pursuit of sporting activity.
Sports bags can contain multiple items as long as they remain within the stated weight and dimension limits, e.g. two surfboards can be taken in a single bag. A single sporting item that is required to be packed as more than one piece to enable that item to be carried counts as one piece e.g. a bicycle with a wheel packed separately is considered one piece.
Unfortunately I cant find any such loophole on the Qantas site, but it may be worth enquiring...
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Re: Qantas bike carton weight
Postby il padrone » Sun Mar 02, 2014 8:33 am
It's a while ago now but I have previously tied two panniers together with two occy straps and checked them in. The striped '$2-shop bags' are better. Two panniers together will not go on easily as carry-on baggage - they will fall outside the dimensions I'd expect.RonK wrote:Best is to put them in one of those cheap stripey carry bags.petermccallum wrote:Thanks for the info. So if I budget for around 3kg for the box I should be able to carry around 20kg inside it. That's great. I may be able to get away with just one pannier as checked luggage.
Has anyone had experience of taping/glad wrapping two panniers together and checking them as a single bag?
But perhaps you have missed from our previous discussion that if you check in two pieces you'll have to pay for the extra piece, so there is no point scrimping unless you can fit everything in the bike box and carry on bag.
You may get away with tying panniers together as carry on luggage.
Why bother scrimping so much when for a $20 charge you can pre-book an extra piece of luggage?
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Re: Qantas bike carton weight
Postby BigPete » Sun Mar 02, 2014 11:32 pm
With QANTAS in economy you are entitled to 1 piece of checked in luggage. So all I needed to do was buy another piece at $30.
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Re: Qantas bike carton weight
Postby il padrone » Mon Mar 03, 2014 12:07 am
Beware of weights BTW. In Melbourne our weight was all OK. On return from Rome we were stunned to be told that our baggage was 8kgs over! Equals 350 Euro in excess, nearly $500. That is quite a lot of extra - more than the weight in the carry-on pannier I took aboard with me. We had to re-organise bags and still it was about 5kgs over. This was going to cost us over 220 Euro in excess still so not at all happy. Finally the supervisor there who had been watching our efforts told the clerk to charge us for just 2kgs - 90 Euro.
Later back home, when analysing what extras we had brought back that was not in the bags when we flew out it all added up to barely 1.5kgs (we had ditched a lot of needless items back in Rome). There is no way we had 8kgs extra. I reckon there are Melbourne kgs and Roman kgs. Beware, and a good luggage scales would be a valuable thing. We used one before we flew out, but did not take it with us.
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Re: Qantas bike carton weight
Postby queequeg » Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:38 am
We had a similar issue when flying from Sydney to Lindeman Island. Bags well underweight going from Sydney, but somehow on the way back the bags were mysteriously 8kg overweight and facing a baggage surcharge. Since there was nothing available fir purchase on the is jabs except for clothes, and my wife and I had bought one lightweight jacket each (which we were wearing!), there was in fact zero difference in the contents of the bags. I reckon it is a scam the airlines run, but it makes we wonder how on earth they do correct weight & balance loading the aircraft if their scales are so bad. Maybe they reweigh them behind the scenes once the passenger is out of view.il padrone wrote:.
Later back home, when analysing what extras we had brought back that was not in the bags when we flew out it all added up to barely 1.5kgs (we had ditched a lot of needless items back in Rome). There is no way we had 8kgs extra. I reckon there are Melbourne kgs and Roman kgs. Beware, and a good luggage scales would be a valuable thing. We used one before we flew out, but did not take it with us.
We refused to pay the excess on the basis that we still had the tags from the inbound flight with the luggage weight shown, and they knew we had been on an isolated island.
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Re: Qantas bike carton weight
Postby Warin » Mon Mar 03, 2014 10:19 am
In Australia if they are charging for weight .. then the weight machines have to be 'calibrated' ... complaints to the 'National Measurement Institute' may yield some results? http://www.measurement.gov.au/Publicati ... rement.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;queequeg wrote:We had a similar issue when flying from Sydney to Lindeman Island. Bags well underweight going from Sydney, but somehow on the way back the bags were mysteriously 8kg overweight and facing a baggage surcharge.
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Re: Qantas bike carton weight
Postby petermccallum » Mon Mar 03, 2014 3:19 pm
I have two pieces of checked luggage booked for a flight this Friday, ie a bike and panniers. Having disassembled the long haul trucker and placed it in the box, I found that it weighs about 20kg according to my bathroom scales. I can probably put all my clothes and other light gear in a pannier and put that in the box or carry it on. I don't think I'll have too much of a problem.
BTW the Qantas bike box weighs 5kg.
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Re: Qantas bike carton weight
Postby RonK » Mon Mar 03, 2014 4:29 pm
If you have two pieces of checked luggage booked, you can take 46kg, not including your cabin bag.petermccallum wrote:Thanks again.
I have two pieces of checked luggage booked for a flight this Friday, ie a bike and panniers. Having disassembled the long haul trucker and placed it in the box, I found that it weighs about 20kg according to my bathroom scales. I can probably put all my clothes and other light gear in a pannier and put that in the box or carry it on. I don't think I'll have too much of a problem.
BTW the Qantas bike box weighs 5kg.
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Re: Qantas bike carton weight
Postby onrbikes » Mon Mar 03, 2014 6:46 pm
We usually put one rear pannier into the other rear one then the two front ones inside as well, and take it as carry-on (minus the hangers). That alone weighs a bit. The handlebar one can be deemed a purse/man bag.petermccallum wrote:
Has anyone had experience of taping/glad wrapping two panniers together and checking them as a single bag?
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