100km Road Race - nutrition tips
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100km Road Race - nutrition tips
Postby Pravda » Sun Apr 06, 2014 12:58 pm
I've got myself signed up for my first B grade road race after getting promoted during the crit season this year. It looks like it'll be a bit of a trial by fire with a 100km course over rolling terrain and about 2000 vertical meters. My longest road race to ate is a touch over 60km and pancake flat.
On the nutrition front I think I have my pre race dialed but wanted some info from the more seasoned campaigners about how much to eat during the race. I've got a healthy selection of caffeinated and non caffeinated gels as well as energy bars and isotonics. They mostly seem to say eat one every 45 minutes so I'm guessing a combination of about 5 or so should do me. I'm anticipating we'll knock the 100 out in about 2.5 hrs.
Thanks in advance.
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100km Road Race - nutrition tips
Postby toolonglegs » Sun Apr 06, 2014 3:14 pm
Anyway a lot of my races are around the 2 to 3 hour mark.... Today's is 75 with around 1000m of climb, 1 bottle ( but well hydrated before ) and 2 or 3 gels in the pockets.
For 3 hours I would go 2 bottles of sports type drink and 3 or so gels.
When it gets over 3 hours you need to start getting a fair bit of food in.
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Postby NeillS » Sun Apr 06, 2014 3:23 pm
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Re: 100km Road Race - nutrition tips
Postby Derny Driver » Sun Apr 06, 2014 3:29 pm
I agree with tll - 2 bottles and a couple of gels. Drink the water bidon first and use powerade / Endura to bring you home. One little trick is to get those 250ml PopTop juices, empty one out and fill it with powerade. Put it in your back pocket and you can drink it in the last half hour if you need a boost. Slip the gels up the front of your knicks on your quads. You wont be able to eat any thing solid if the heat is on constantly, which Im sure it will be.
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Postby trailgumby » Sun Apr 06, 2014 3:52 pm
Mind you, that's for mountain bike racing, which is like a sprint start followed by a time trial, and I tend to train on my own with no shelter from the wind provided by other riders.
You roadie guys seem to run on a lot less. Is this because the intensity is a lot less at the beginning where most guys hide in the middle of the pack, out of the wind? Or is it because you quaff a full bottle of carbs before you hit the start?
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Re: 100km Road Race - nutrition tips
Postby toolonglegs » Sun Apr 06, 2014 4:35 pm
It also depends what you will put up with not to get dropped on the road... If that means making your drinks last then you do, or peeing on the bike so you don't have to stop.
Getting dressed now hoping my diarrhea stops before we start in 55 minutes
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Re: 100km Road Race - nutrition tips
Postby Tarquin » Sun Apr 06, 2014 5:06 pm
I'd try and eat something every 40 minutes, maybe a bar, banana then a gel towards the end when you need the energy quicker.
I don't take extra carbs or sugar in my water.
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Re: 100km Road Race - nutrition tips
Postby Stefan_A » Sun Apr 06, 2014 5:43 pm
You may get by but you won't perform your best, and if you underhydrate regularly, you'll get less life out of your kidneys.Derny Driver wrote:You can get by on a lot less than what you think. My son rode the NRS Goulburn to Sydney 170km on 2 bottles of water and one gel. 4 hours 20 from memory. After the race he was still in good shape.
The gold standard is to know your sweat rate under different circumstances, and replace the fluid lost.
Discussing bottles when bodyweight, bottle size, temp, humidity, and whether you sat in most of the race, leaves a lot to be desired.
I did a 120k 1800m ride starting at 6am today in Brisbane, and am still in negative fluid balance 12 hrs later. Totally underestimated the intensity of the ride. Compromised on fluid intake to save a bit of weight on a nasty climb. Wasn't a good idea.
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Postby Derny Driver » Sun Apr 06, 2014 6:48 pm
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Re: 100km Road Race - nutrition tips
Postby Pravda » Sun Apr 06, 2014 11:08 pm
It's mostly rolling hills rather than any real climbs. As far as speed, a mate of mine did it last year in C and they averaged 32kph so I'm expecting a quicker race than that.
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Re: 100km Road Race - nutrition tips
Postby Xplora » Fri Apr 11, 2014 1:32 am
You call them rolling hills, I don't know how much climbing you expect to call it a climb but I would be careful filling up those bidons, you don't want to carry 1.5kgs up the hill for nothing.
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Re: 100km Road Race - nutrition tips
Postby Cul » Fri Apr 11, 2014 1:12 pm
This, during a "shorter" race on the bike nutrition isn't as important as the steps before hand. Two biddons with your prefered performance drink, a gel or two and a banana should be more than enough.Xplora wrote:Over 100kms, most of your nutrition happens the day or two before, the hydration in the last two hours beforehand. Make sure you've eaten properly to max out glycogen levels, and drunk enough to take a bathroom break before you start. A gel, bottle of gatorade, a bottle of water, a banana. Done. Easy to digest, the key is preserving glycogen, you can't produce it over 2.5 hours.
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Re: 100km Road Race - nutrition tips
Postby macca33 » Fri Apr 11, 2014 1:54 pm
I reckon that if you are going that long, apart from pre-race hydration / eating, you need at least 2 x gels, an energy bar / Clif bar or similar, banana maybe and 2 x bidons - one with gatorade/powerade and one with high-quality H2O.
I know everyone is different, but it is no good racing for 60, 70, 80, 90, 99Km if you go completely flat and are ineffective at the pointy end.
Since that time, I have paid attention to others and was initially very surprised to see how much people who know what they are doing eat on the longer club races.....
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Re: 100km Road Race - nutrition tips
Postby Xplora » Fri Apr 11, 2014 5:51 pm
I am sitting on the fence for this... the research DOES support sugar rinses, but I also recognise that even with a power meter I will never be sensible enough with my nutrition prerace to guarantee that eating midrace will be worthless. I was hurting way worse on my 120km with boaf than my 350km last Friday.
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Re: 100km Road Race - nutrition tips
Postby toolonglegs » Fri Apr 11, 2014 6:40 pm
My average race is 2 hours, a couple of gels in the pocket is fine for me, often they go unused. Drinks depend on the conditions, sometimes 500 mls is fine, sometimes 1.5l isn't enough.
But once I go over 2 hours I need to eat and drink or I start to feel it... no surprise when your burning 1100Kcal per hour or so.
Only real hunger / thirst bonk I had was on a 175km race with 4000m climbing... I thought I was getting a lot in, but I obviously didn't and the last 90 minutes were horrible .
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Postby Pravda » Fri Apr 11, 2014 6:57 pm
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Re: 100km Road Race - nutrition tips
Postby singlespeedscott » Fri Apr 11, 2014 7:33 pm
When I ride those distances at a normal pace I would usually only drink one 700ml bidon and 6 pitted dates.
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Re: 100km Road Race - nutrition tips
Postby happysumo » Thu May 15, 2014 2:45 pm
120km. Never raced further than 80.
Normally get by on 1.5 bidons of water and a handful of natural confec. dinosaurs.
Any word on what to eat tonight, tomorrow, saturday morning, and during the race?
Also my training between now and then will consist of 2x20's at around 90-95% of FTP tonight up a mountain around here, and a 15 minute to/from work commute tomorrow. Did 150km of endurance with a few hard spurts here and there yesterday. Sounds OK?
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