Cyclist dies in bus crash in Mt Lawley
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Cyclist dies in bus crash in Mt Lawley
Postby Aushiker » Thu May 15, 2014 6:28 pm
Police said the cyclist had been riding along Beaufort St when she was struck by the bus at 2.25pm on Wednesday.
Source: WA Today
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Postby nachoman » Thu May 15, 2014 6:41 pm
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Postby Aushiker » Thu May 15, 2014 6:48 pm
Thanks for the details.nachoman wrote:Northbound on Beaufort St just after the Chelmsford Rd intersection. The bus was TP3027, an artic on the #67 route. Roadworks are currently ongoing here at night for the bus lanes.
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Re: Cyclist dies in bus crash in Mt Lawley
Postby Red Rider » Fri May 16, 2014 12:28 am
I wasn't aware bus lane works were being undertaken at this location.
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Re: Cyclist dies in bus crash in Mt Lawley
Postby nachoman » Fri May 16, 2014 1:26 am
My apologies, it could just be resurfacing then. A google search shows the Vincent council approved the bus lanes in April.Red Rider wrote: I wasn't aware bus lane works were being undertaken at this location.
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Re: Cyclist dies in bus crash in Mt Lawley
Postby roller » Fri May 16, 2014 9:43 am
There is a photo in the paper today of where this occurred, just after Chelmsford which is across the road from Lawley's.
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Re: Cyclist dies in bus crash in Mt Lawley
Postby archetuthus » Fri May 16, 2014 9:52 am
was just about to post that aswell. WA Police have written on their facebook:Robinho wrote:WA police reported that the cyclist was riding on the pavement and rode onto the road into the side of the bus. Sou ds similar to the incident in Sydney the other week. Judging from the bike and footwear of the cyclist I would feel safe in assuming she was not an experienced or regular cyclist, not that in any way diminishes the incident.
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Fatal Crash – Mt Lawley - About 2:20pm yesterday, 15 May 2014, a bus was travelling along Beaufort Street near Walcott Street in Mt Lawley. A female cyclist rode off the footpath onto the road, colliding with the side of a Transperth bus.
The 43 year old woman from Bayswater received serious injuries and was conveyed to Royal Perth Hospital. She died a short time later as a result of her injuries.
Police would like to speak to anyone who may have seen the crash, or the bus or woman prior to the crash. Anyone with any information is asked to call Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000.
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Re: Cyclist dies in bus crash in Mt Lawley
Postby Aushiker » Fri May 16, 2014 10:14 am
Thanks for the update and source. Very sad indeed. A silly mistake and it is all overarchetuthus wrote:was just about to post that aswell. WA Police have written on their facebook:
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Re: Cyclist dies in bus crash in Mt Lawley
Postby wellington_street » Fri May 16, 2014 12:27 pm
Judging by the stupidity displayed by the Councils and Main Roads at the existing bus lanes in CoP and CoV, cyclists will be prohibited from using the left lane and must ride in the right lane with traffic.BrownBike wrote:Wow that's really sad. It can be really dangerous there as cars stop in the queue for a long time in the right lane, making you think you can cross, then vehicles can dart up the left lane. Such a heavy pedestrian area too. Looks like the left lane will now be a bus lane so hopefully some safety measures come out of this.
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Re: Cyclist dies in bus crash in Mt Lawley
Postby Red Rider » Fri May 16, 2014 2:42 pm
I think you're right. It's only been a week since I last went along here, it has already changed.nachoman wrote:My apologies, it could just be resurfacing then. A google search shows the Vincent council approved the bus lanes in April.Red Rider wrote: I wasn't aware bus lane works were being undertaken at this location.
I wonder what she was thinking in moving onto the road. Had she ridden this road before? Why was she riding on the pavement to start with? It seems a coincidence that the road conditions have only just changed, is this a contributing factor?
You're right wellington_street, not being able to ride in the bus lane in these areas means cyclists are in more danger, some motorists get angry. In fact, at the Wellington Street intersection a little while ago a car behind me beeped his horn at me because I was 'obstructing' him riding in the middle of the bus lane!! So I would have liked to have seen what he would have done had I been in the right lane. P.S. there was a car ahead parked in the bus lane anyway so we all had to go in the right lane, buses included.
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Re: Cyclist dies in bus crash in Mt Lawley
Postby softy » Sun May 18, 2014 1:00 pm
Mt lawley is a cosmopolitan centre and should have better access to bicycles. Although the lady shouldn't of rode out of the foorpath, there is really no safe place to ride
I personal avoid this part of beaufort street on my pushy as it is unsettling to ride there.
I do believe cyclist should be able to ride on footpaths as long as speeds are kept below a set limit. This would make it feel safer for the casual riders.
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Re: Cyclist dies in bus crash in Mt Lawley
Postby Sinner » Mon May 19, 2014 2:29 pm
If you want cyclists in them, they have to be widened to allow buses to safely pass. There just isn't the width available without taking footpath, so it's easier not to sign for cyclists.
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Re: Cyclist dies in bus crash in Mt Lawley
Postby ColinOldnCranky » Mon May 19, 2014 2:53 pm
I agree entirely. And it's that cosmopolitan aspect where everything spills onto the paths that contributes to the danger.softy wrote:Although it is illegal, people feel safer riding at low speeds on the footpath.
Mt lawley is a cosmopolitan centre and should have better access to bicycles. Although the lady shouldn't of rode out of the foorpath, there is really no safe place to ride
I personal avoid this part of beaufort street on my pushy as it is unsettling to ride there.
I do believe cyclist should be able to ride on footpaths as long as speeds are kept below a set limit. This would make it feel safer for the casual riders.
As a result there is no safe speed on a bike on that segment. On that section I can readily see the circumstances in which a cyclist would, with no warning, be involuntarily shunted onto the road (though I do not know if that is what happened in this tragic case).
It has tables and chairs and coffee patrons along with barely a metre from the road curbing that is shared by all those moving. There are business entrances opening onto it including a busy local super market. And even the limited space there is is is punctuated by the ubiquitous paid-ticket stations, retro-placed bike stands, those freestanding fold out business signs (should be outlawed by councils), traffic signs on poles and rubbish bins a foot or so off the curb. Add to that plenty of people focused on doing their business wandering about and...
I have ridden exactly that section a hundred times before. It is not a safe place to take a bike at ANY speed except on foot. But then I don't know that there are a lot of safe options in the area. The only way to safely accommodate cyclists may be to reduce it down to a single lane. And then we get into the whole chicken-and-egg situation of having enough cycling demand to justify doing so.
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Re: Cyclist dies in bus crash in Mt Lawley
Postby wellington_street » Mon May 19, 2014 4:12 pm
I disagree. We are talking about accommodating confident cyclists who ride in mixed traffic.Sinner wrote:Riding in bus lanes is not just an issue here but in the UK as well.
If you want cyclists in them, they have to be widened to allow buses to safely pass. There just isn't the width available without taking footpath, so it's easier not to sign for cyclists.
Cyclists are permitted to cycle in bus lanes in NSW despite many of these lanes having much narrower lane widths than PTA will accept in Perth. The recent Beaufort Street widening works would not have occurred in NSW - the red road would have been laid out and signs go up and that's it. If you are interested, check out Victoria Road bus lanes through Ermington / Gladesville / Rozelle or Parramatta Road, Spit Road etc.
If cyclists are not permitted to ride in the bus lane, this means that they must ride in the right lane in mixed traffic. Is this a safer option? Is it better for traffic flow? A protest ride would make it very clear, very quickly that this is not an acceptable outcome for all road users.
In addition, the bus lanes on Hampton Road through South Fremantle are in the vicinity of 3.3-3.5m wide and are signed for use by cyclists. How does a bus safely pass a cyclist within a 3.5m wide lane?
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Re: Cyclist dies in bus crash in Mt Lawley
Postby wellington_street » Mon May 19, 2014 4:16 pm
It's not really a place where you 'ride' a bicycle, moreso just sit on it and roll at walking pace. It's still 'riding' technically but it is as safe as, and takes up much less room than, walking the bicycle.ColinOldnCranky wrote:I agree entirely. And it's that cosmopolitan aspect where everything spills onto the paths that contributes to the danger.
As a result there is no safe speed on a bike on that segment. On that section I can readily see the circumstances in which a cyclist would, with no warning, be involuntarily shunted onto the road (though I do not know if that is what happened in this tragic case).
It has tables and chairs and coffee patrons along with barely a metre from the road curbing that is shared by all those moving. There are business entrances opening onto it including a busy local super market. And even the limited space there is is is punctuated by the ubiquitous paid-ticket stations, retro-placed bike stands, those freestanding fold out business signs (should be outlawed by councils), traffic signs on poles and rubbish bins a foot or so off the curb. Add to that plenty of people focused on doing their business wandering about and...
I have ridden exactly that section a hundred times before. It is not a safe place to take a bike at ANY speed except on foot. But then I don't know that there are a lot of safe options in the area. The only way to safely accommodate cyclists may be to reduce it down to a single lane. And then we get into the whole chicken-and-egg situation of having enough cycling demand to justify doing so.
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