Monster Cross Framesets?
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Monster Cross Framesets?
Postby thecaptn » Mon Jun 09, 2014 10:49 am
There's plenty of monster cross bikes about which are just 29er frames with drop bars but not many road/CX frames wich take fat tyres.
I saw this which looks cool:
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Re: Monster Cross Framesets?
Postby silentbutdeadly » Mon Jun 09, 2014 8:04 pm
Franky, that strikes me as a nice 29er frame with a short A/C rigid fork. It can be done...
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Re: Monster Cross Framesets?
Postby barefoot » Tue Jun 10, 2014 9:21 am
A 27.5" (650B) knobby is about the same rolling diameter as a 700c CX tyre. They're just wider, and the rim is correspondingly closer to the hub. Not a problem if you have disc brakes. Depending on how the stays of the frame are designed, they might flare out enough to accommodate a wider tyre if the bulge is at a smaller radius.
I'm currently shopping for a 650B wheelset for my disc road/cross bike, so I can just do a quick wheel swap for a more gravel-biased setup (rather than swapping tyres... or just riding dirt on 25s as I often do now).
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Re: Monster Cross Framesets?
Postby thecaptn » Tue Jun 10, 2014 6:22 pm
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Re: Monster Cross Framesets?
Postby mitchy_ » Tue Jun 10, 2014 6:28 pm
also similar to what barefoot mentioned, a 700c road tyre is about the same size as a 26" mtb tyre too! i had 700x25's on my old 26" hardtail, was a good commuter.
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Re: Monster Cross Framesets?
Postby Mugglechops » Tue Jun 10, 2014 6:46 pm
Most Monstercrosser's I have seen have been converted MTBs unless you go for a Fargo.
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Re: Monster Cross Framesets?
Postby thecaptn » Tue Jun 10, 2014 7:43 pm
Yeah it looks like there's nothing in the way of an off the shelf 29er CX frame, not surprisingly. There's a few nice hand made frames about, I can't imagine there'd be much of a market for them. I like the idea of the fargo as a touring bike but I can't imagine the geo would be conducive to speed. They're not that easy to come by either, I was trying to get one a couple of years back and gave up in the end, if I ever come across a cheap second hand one I'll grab it.Mugglechops wrote:I wish hookworms came in 29er sizes. I love them. Plastic tyre levers don't though.
Most Monstercrosser's I have seen have been converted MTBs unless you go for a Fargo.
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Re: Monster Cross Framesets?
Postby gabrielle260 » Tue Jun 10, 2014 7:55 pm
I've been down this path a while back and ended up converting my rigid Lynskey 29er to be a monster crosser.
I recently decided that I wanted a true MTB and a gravel grinder so I am converting the Lynskey back to being a MTB. For the gravel grinder I set a maximum tyre width of 40mm and it was amazing how many frames got eliminated because they couldn't accommodate 40mm!! It came down to a choice of the On One Pickenflick or the Grovel and for cost reasons I chose the Grovel. I am now just waiting for the frame to arrive and my next job to come along!!
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Re: Monster Cross Framesets?
Postby thecaptn » Tue Jun 10, 2014 8:27 pm
http://forums.mtbr.com/29er-bikes/singu ... 42-16.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Monster Cross Framesets?
Postby thecaptn » Tue Jun 10, 2014 8:49 pm
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Re: Monster Cross Framesets?
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Re: Monster Cross Framesets?
Postby thecaptn » Wed Jun 11, 2014 9:00 am
Thanks for the tip, just Emailed them.gabrielle260 wrote:Have you tried Larry's bikes? He brought Singular bikes into Australia.
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Re: Monster Cross Framesets?
Postby thecaptn » Wed Jun 11, 2014 5:30 pm
I'd really appreciate some opinions on this please guys, c'mon talk me into/out of it
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Re: Monster Cross Framesets?
Postby barefoot » Wed Jun 11, 2014 8:31 pm
A heavy-ish frame is only, what, 500g heavier than a light-ish frame? Say, 2250g against 1750g?
It's only once you add the remaining 10kg of components that you end up with a pretty heavy bike.
I don't know about the frame you're looking at, but I'm guessing it's somewhere in that 2000g +- 250g range...
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Re: Monster Cross Framesets?
Postby thecaptn » Wed Jun 11, 2014 9:01 pm
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Re: Monster Cross Framesets?
Postby baabaa » Wed Jun 11, 2014 9:58 pm
I also like having an ebb for ss and happy to put up with a few grams for this option.
I would have guessed that the Gryphon would have been quite a heavier than this.Maybe that is without the weight of the ebb? Anyway get one, seen a few about and they look like great all-rounders which will serve you well for a long time. I would also like to get a Singular Kite if I ever get to break the On-One Pompino, which sadly seems unlikely. Do you know the bloke that owns Singular is an Australian?
Also re the cx/29er into a 650b option, I have been thinking of doing this to my salsa for a while http://www.bikeman.com/bikeman-blogs/65 ... conversion" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
If weight really is an issue think http://www.ninerbikes.com/RLT9" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Monster Cross Framesets?
Postby silentbutdeadly » Wed Jun 11, 2014 11:03 pm
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Re: Monster Cross Framesets?
Postby thecaptn » Thu Jun 12, 2014 10:06 am
Weight is a bit of a consideration, it's not something I normally worry about much. I've been using my CX commuter on group CX rides locally which does the job fairly well, it's a great bike and has all the bells and whistles you'd expect on a commuter, comes in at a reasonable 13.5kg. I'm just under 100kg and it's very hilly here, my rides are normally around 50-100km. I don't struggle, I'm just slow climbing compared to others and I notice the difference when riding my roady, which is set up for hills, at 8.5-9kg.
While considering weight, I could just go and buy an off the shelf carbon CX bike but I'd like to have something a bit different for a change. I've never built up my own bike and would like to have a go at that and having something that will last a long time appeals. I also need to consider the budget or the Mrs'l get narky.
In a nutshell I want something that's big and heavy but doesn't weigh too much
I'll keep working on it.....
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Re: Monster Cross Framesets?
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Re: Monster Cross Framesets?
Postby mitchy_ » Thu Jun 12, 2014 11:27 am
silentbutdeadly wrote:For a different angle, check out the Giant Seek 3 for a potential monstercross on a budget. For a $600 retail...most of what you need is there. All it needs is a flared drop bar, some Sora shifters and a new FD (if you want a FD) to be a monstercross. This is essentially how mine started out...
wow, i didn't realise they were so cheap...
i was wanting to sell my single speed to get a cheap roadie to take to the gym etc, as i'm not to keen on leaving my chinese carbon chariot in bike racks, etc.
this might be what i need, then some drop bars... also have spare 10spd gear too.
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Re: Monster Cross Framesets?
Postby silentbutdeadly » Thu Jun 12, 2014 11:36 am
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Re: Monster Cross Framesets?
Postby barefoot » Thu Jun 12, 2014 12:52 pm
Gee that looks like yet another copy of the venerable Trigon / Token / Picasia / Ritchie rigid carbon fork like I have on my Chitanium roadie.silentbutdeadly wrote:Yep. And lob on one of these for good measure http://www.planetx.co.uk/i/q/FOOOSCF470 ... arbon-fork" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
But slightly different. And a whole lot heavier. And a bit more expensive.
The graphics are cool though.
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Re: Monster Cross Framesets?
Postby mitchy_ » Thu Jun 12, 2014 1:05 pm
barefoot wrote:Gee that looks like yet another copy of the venerable Trigon / Token / Picasia / Ritchie rigid carbon fork like I have on my Chitanium roadie.
But slightly different. And a whole lot heavier. And a bit more expensive.
The graphics are cool though.
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it's actually extremely different! the fork almost looks backwards, i had a chinese carbon version which is almost a copy on 2 of my other bikes.
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Re: Monster Cross Framesets?
Postby silentbutdeadly » Thu Jun 12, 2014 3:38 pm
Not remotely the same. They have a huge forward throw in order to get the rake. Rather than the far more traditional thingy you linked tobarefoot wrote:Gee that looks like yet another copy of the venerable Trigon / Token / Picasia / Ritchie rigid carbon fork like I have on my Chitanium roadie.
But slightly different. And a whole lot heavier. And a bit more expensive.
This was why I didn't get them for my steel framed 29er. I could not see it complementing narrow steel tubes so I got a more conventional but more expensive Carver. However on a hydroformed alloy frame like the Seek...that's another story.
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