"undesired use of a bicycle"???
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"undesired use of a bicycle"???
Postby worzel » Tue Jun 17, 2014 10:31 am
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Postby blkmcs » Tue Jun 17, 2014 10:45 am
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Postby Karati » Tue Jun 17, 2014 10:51 am
Can you legislate common sense?
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Postby Grev » Tue Jun 17, 2014 11:14 am
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Postby Mububban » Tue Jun 17, 2014 12:19 pm
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Postby jaseyjase » Tue Jun 17, 2014 12:28 pm
but then how do i do selfies?Mububban wrote: mobile phone etc.
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Postby HappyHumber » Tue Jun 17, 2014 1:08 pm
Bah... I'll demand the truth when I am dead. Wild speculation and hearsay keeps life interesting.Grev wrote:Is it true or did you read it in the West?
Hit me up via the BNA dm; I'll get an alert. If y'know, you know.
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Postby find_bruce » Tue Jun 17, 2014 1:40 pm
Have you tried looking in the same place as the rule which requires cyclists to "get of the [expletive] road" ?blkmcs wrote:I cannot find any use of the word "undesired" in the Road Traffic Act, the Road Traffic Code, the Road Traffic Code Bicycle Regulations or the Road Traffic Miscellaneous Regulations.
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Postby Gordonhooker » Tue Jun 17, 2014 2:00 pm
smoking your tyres,
doing a quarter mile in list 10 seconds,
riding while playing a grand piano,
riding while eating a lamb roast,
riding while exposing yourself, and
heaps of really good stuff like that....
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Postby just4tehhalibut » Tue Jun 17, 2014 4:48 pm
Unless you're riding the Tour de France, in which case hanging it out over the side of the saddle while still rolling with the peleton will get you a motorcycle film crew., depending on your aim and their desire..Gordonhooker wrote:riding while exposing yourself
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Postby casual_cyclist » Tue Jun 17, 2014 5:49 pm
Logically, "undesired use" would be any use of a bicycle that results in a "penalty unit" being imposed pursuant to the Road Traffic Code 2000.worzel wrote:But it finishes by saying that "the undesired use of bicycle on the road is still an offence under the Road Traffic Code 2000". What does "undesired use" mean????
If you have a look in Part 15, there are lots of regulations that result in penalty units if breached. This Part answers your question about cycling after consuming alcohol.
It's hard to comment further without a link to the article.229. Proper control of bicycles
A person shall not on any road or path —
(a) ride a bicycle while under the influence of alcohol, drugs or alcohol and drugs to such an extent as to be incapable of having proper control of the bicycle; or
(b) ride a bicycle recklessly or without due care and attention.
Modified penalty: 2 PU
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Postby wellington_street » Tue Jun 17, 2014 6:18 pm
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Postby casual_cyclist » Tue Jun 17, 2014 7:24 pm
The Road Traffic Code 2000 is subsidary legislation. To answer that, you would probably have to look at the Road Traffic Act 1974, which states:wellington_street wrote:So does that mean the 0.05 doesn't apply to bicycles? Given it uses the vague term "incapable of having proper control of the bicycle"
64. Driving with blood alcohol content of or above 0.08
(1) A person who drives or attempts to drive a motor vehicle while having a blood alcohol content of or above 0.08g of alcohol per 100ml of blood commits an offence, and the offender may be arrested without warrant.
Definitely refers to "motor vehicle".64AA. Driving with blood alcohol content of or above 0.05
(1) A person who drives or attempts to drive a motor vehicle while having a blood alcohol content of or above 0.05g of alcohol per 100ml of blood commits an offence.
"proper control" does appear to be a bit vague. But part (b) of the same regulation is not less vague:
Of course there is also the Road Traffic (Bicycles) Regulations 2002 apply to a bicycle if it is on a road. Doesn't say anything about alcohol though.229. Proper control of bicycles
A person shall not on any road or path —
(b) ride a bicycle recklessly or without due care and attention.
It would appear that .08 and .05 do not apply to non-motorised bicycles and that the term "incapable of having proper control of the bicycle" applies. NOTE: I am not a lawyer or any kind of road law expert, so if you get pulled over when drunk riding, don't quote me
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Postby Scott_C » Tue Jun 17, 2014 7:38 pm
The magic number to automatically qualify for Sect 63 is 0.15 but it may be applied at lower concentrations:63 . Driving under the influence of alcohol etc.
(1) A person who drives or attempts to drive a motor vehicle while under the influence of alcohol, drugs, or alcohol and drugs to such an extent as to be incapable of having proper control of the vehicle commits an offence, and the offender may be arrested without warrant.
This wouldn't necessary apply for offences against Reg 229 but it is a useful yardstick.(5) In any proceeding for an offence against this section a person who had at the time of the alleged offence a blood alcohol content of or above 0.15g of alcohol per 100ml of blood shall be deemed to have been under the influence of alcohol to such an extent as to be incapable of having proper control of a motor vehicle at the time of the alleged offence.
Another interesting contrast between the two is that you can't be sumarily arrested under Reg 229 like you can under Sect 63 but you also don't get automatic access to your own medical professional under Reg 229. There is also a wide gap between the $100 fine for violating Reg 229 and the up to $2,500 fine and 10 months loss of license for a first offence under Sect 63, escalating to up to 9 months jail for a second offence.
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Postby casual_cyclist » Tue Jun 17, 2014 7:55 pm
http://rideons.wordpress.com/2013/12/03/risky-business/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;As bike riders can’t be breath tested, technically they don’t have to be below the 0.05 blood alcohol limit that applies to motorists, and police must assess a rider’s level of intoxication by their behaviour.
However, if a bike rider appears to be intoxicated, they may be charged with other offences, such as being drunk in a public place, and taken into custody to sober up. Riders can also be taken into custody for other serious traffic offences in relation to their riding behaviour and conduct, and they can face criminal charges for causing a serious collision.
I don't know the credibility of the author so would not assume they are correct.
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Postby worzel » Tue Jun 17, 2014 9:35 pm
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Postby eldavo » Tue Jun 17, 2014 10:39 pm
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Postby worzel » Wed Jun 18, 2014 10:34 pm
Now that would be an undesirable act on a bike in more ways than one!eldavo wrote:Perhaps the root cause of this problem is undesirably exposing yourself to mainstream media.
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