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Postby jamierk » Tue Nov 04, 2008 5:25 pm
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Postby mikesbytes » Tue Nov 04, 2008 6:01 pm
If your objective is bike stuff, then head to the gym for an indoor spin or RPM class. It's interval training.
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Postby jamierk » Tue Nov 04, 2008 7:08 pm
Yeah i was looking for some training to help with my cycling. Might try and do a spin class or two this week. Anyone have experience with these?
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Postby Alex Simmons/RST » Tue Nov 04, 2008 9:49 pm
It's only a front so no compatability issues really.
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Postby DanielS » Tue Nov 04, 2008 9:58 pm
Its hard to get it perfect, but not that hard to get it into a usable state where it isn't rubbing on the brakes.jamierk wrote:Is it difficult to true a wheel?
You'll need a spoke tool. Work out where the kink is. Tighten the spoke that leads to opposite side of hub (turn nipple anti-clockwise). Do it in small increments and be patient, use your brakes as a guide. (there are much much better tutorials on how to do this on the net....)
Otherwise, second the suggestion to just borrow a wheel off someone...
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Postby sogood » Wed Nov 05, 2008 2:09 pm
RK wrote:And that is Wikipedia - I can write my own definition.
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Postby jamierk » Wed Nov 05, 2008 2:22 pm
How could i disagree with such expert (sounding) advicesogood wrote:The other angle to take is that this could be your week of rest. Proper rest within a training program is beneficial for the body to recover and to establish a new base for your next leap... Well, any excuse to bludge.
Fiance says: Why are you just sitting round on the coach this week
Jamie says: I'm training of course.
Will make up for this week with some decent mileage on saturday and sunday, weather permitting
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Postby sogood » Wed Nov 05, 2008 2:38 pm
RK wrote:And that is Wikipedia - I can write my own definition.
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Postby ni78ck » Wed Nov 05, 2008 8:54 pm
mikesbytes wrote:If you don't want to pay the shop to fix it, then bring it down to Tempe Velodrome after 7pm tonight and I'll true it for you. The guy in the shop would do a better job than me, but I'll get it going for you.
great gesture! glad to see good people still about .
as for what to do for training, if you can run up hills then t at will be great, or get yourself to souths juniors for some squats and try build up your legs so you can then improve your cycling .
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Postby Alex Simmons/RST » Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:27 pm
While a set number of weeks training followed by a rest week is a common prescription, it is a very general one and not usually optimal. It also isn't periodisation.sogood wrote:Alex would have a lot more to say on this subject of course, but my understanding is, 1 off in 6 weeks is pretty common in structured training. Periodization they call it, I think.
Periodisation is about breaking up the structure of training into "periods" that have a particular purpose. Such as general aerobic conditioning / endurance, or a phase of power endurance/threshold power development, or race specific training or indeed a peak racing period.
While recovery is important in training, there is no need for a regularly scheduled recovery week as such. Recovery should only be taken when it's actually required. That happens at different times for different riders and also depends on what training they been doing (volume and intensity), what their training history is like and what else is going on in their life. When recovery is required, a week may be too much or not enough.
In general, for most of us, rest of life interferes sufficiently to provide more than enough time away from the bike that scheduled recovery periods are hardly ever required.
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Postby sogood » Wed Nov 05, 2008 11:02 pm
RK wrote:And that is Wikipedia - I can write my own definition.
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Postby Alex Simmons/RST » Wed Nov 05, 2008 11:43 pm
They won't die.sogood wrote:So what's the effect of one week rest for people who don't have a structured program, amateurs who self-prescribe rides on a weekly basis? The common sentiment being... "Oh, I missed my weekly 250km of cycling, will I die?"
Their long term fitness goals are either delayed, or they don't reach as great an overall fitness level at the time they really want it. In the end though, you "run what you brung"*.
But if one is doing 250km/week of pretty much the same stuff, then fitness gains will likely plateau after 3-4 months anyway.
For anyone interested, the concept of an Impulse-Response model of measuring/managing training stress (both acute and chronic) is an excellent way to demonstrate the impacts.
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Postby sogood » Thu Nov 06, 2008 12:03 am
Hence this periodisation thingy, right?Alex Simmons/RST wrote:They won't die.
But if one is doing 250km/week of pretty much the same stuff, then fitness gains will likely plateau after 3-4 months anyway.
For anyone interested, the concept of an Impulse-Response model of measuring/managing training stress (both acute and chronic) is an excellent way to demonstrate the impacts.
Yes, human physiological response to stress is an interesting one, one that has evolved through millions of years of evolution. The question is how one can beat that well entrenched system, one that's already encoded in our genome... But there's one thing for sure in the meantime, we WILL die, eventually.
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Postby Alex Simmons/RST » Thu Nov 06, 2008 12:11 am
That and taxessogood wrote:Hence this periodisation thingy, right?
Yes, human physiological response to stress is an interesting one, one that has evolved through millions of years of evolution. The question is how one can beat that well entrenched system, one that's already encoded in our genome... But there's one thing for sure in the meantime, we WILL die, eventually.
Here's that Bike Radar piece I did a little while back:
http://www.bikeradar.com/fitness/articl ... less-18287
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Postby sogood » Thu Nov 06, 2008 12:51 am
One very basic fact on this stress/strain response in a biological system can be seen at the cellular level. If one was to apply a cyclical strain on a cell or a group of cells, then the cells would adapt and eventually reduce the stress on it to the minimum (conservation of energy). This basic evolutionary response can also be observed in just about every organ system. And in order to stress cells for an extended duration, various lab strategies relating to periodic rest and progressive increases in strain have also been applied ie. Never let those bastard cells settle into a predictable routine. So what you said earlier relating to training is consistent with many of these basic principles that exists at the cellular level. At the end of the day, we are training individual cells in our body.
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Postby Alex Simmons/RST » Thu Nov 06, 2008 9:14 am
Funny thatsogood wrote:So what you said earlier relating to training is consistent with many of these basic principles that exists at the cellular level.
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