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100 Kg rider

Postby Ivanerrol » Sun Mar 25, 2018 7:26 pm

I'm 68 years, 6ft 2inch (188) and weigh 16 stone (100kg)

I have a 2008 Specialized Allez Elite Sport (someone bought across from the U.K. - U.K. spec).

It has the original wheels (Wheels are Jalco GX460's with Vittoria Slicks 25mm) albeit in very good condition.- except.

The wheels keep going out of true - 1000k's - off to the LBS to have them trued up.

The LBS techo diplomatically implied that maybe my weight had something to do with the truing going out.

So I'm looking around for a wheelset more appropriate for my weight. I want to pay less than $700.00 for them or if suitable ebay examples are available such as Shimano RS80's or Mavic Cosmic elite,s or Fulcrum 3's etc.

I have a XDS RX580 which came with Shimao 501's and Maxxi tyres. I have run this bike for a couple of thousand K's and these wheels don't go out of true. - Do these wheels seems a likely replacement for the Specialized?
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Re: 100 Kg rider

Postby Derny Driver » Sun Mar 25, 2018 7:51 pm

Hi ivan
I think you have just got a badly built set of wheels. Possibly a radially laced front wheel is not ideal but it shouldnt make that much difference. I guess if you could get some rims with a slightly deeper profile and 36 spokes you could be pretty confident they wouldnt go out of true. But I dont think they exist off the shelf, you'd need a special build.
Im sitting here looking at my son's Fulcrum Racing Quattros. Deep 35mm rims. $384 on wiggle. He raced A grade this morning on them. Admittedly they have only 16 radial spokes front and 21 on the back but they would be preferable to Fulcrum 3's (which he also owns) due to the deeper rim.
Im no wheel builder but I think rim depth may assist sturdiness moreso than the number of spokes. Someone on here may be able to confirm my hunch.
The Cosmics are 30mm rim depth but Id recommend Fulcrum ahead of Mavics. Less prone to problems.
Others here may have some other suggestions.
But I am not convinced the wheel is going out of true due to your weight. Crappy spokes and nipples are more likely the cause.

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Re: 100 Kg rider

Postby RobertL » Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:54 am

I was 120kg when I bought my road bike, and now I'm down to just below your weight. It was second-hand when I bought it and has done a lot of kms over the years.

It has the original 2011 Mavic Aksium wheelset. They are heavy, but they are as tough as goat's knees and still round and true. They are relatively cheap too.
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Re: 100 Kg rider

Postby celeste boy » Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:56 pm

Hello
I'm knocking on the door of 100kg and have never had the issue you are describing on any of my bikes. Except when I have hit the odd pothole.
Sounds like a fault in the wheelset to me.
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Re: 100 Kg rider

Postby 10speedsemiracer » Mon Mar 26, 2018 11:50 pm

Am a similar sized rider, and had a similar issue with some cheap AlexRims. Got to the point where I could not get the rear back to fully true, and near enough to true annoys the crap out of me. It's either true, or it isn't.
Based on what I've read on other forums, the Jalco wheelset you have is a fraction shabby. I'd put some Mavic Aksiums or even Ksyriums on there, tough wheel for the $s .
Or maybe even get a set built up by one of the wheel-builders who support members on this forum (people like MelodyWheels or TWE) however then there's a freight component and this will go close to kicking your budget in the teeth. A hand-built wheel with quality bits will usually be a much better option than a machine assembled wheel with often unknown or proprietary components.
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Re: 100 Kg rider

Postby RobertL » Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:28 am

10speedsemiracer wrote:Am a similar sized rider, and had a similar issue with some cheap AlexRims.


That reminds me - I had cheap Alex rims on my new cheap flatbar. I kept breaking spokes on the rear and replaced it with a Shimano R500, which has been good ever since.
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Re: 100 Kg rider

Postby edsa » Tue Mar 27, 2018 11:25 am

Derny Driver wrote:Hi ivan
Im sitting here looking at my son's Fulcrum Racing Quattros. Deep 35mm rims. $384 on wiggle.


+1 to the Quattros. I have the CX version use them as my commuting wheel daily and have been using them for the last 3+ years without it going out of true. Solid wheel and have been through quite a few bumps in the road..
I am also 100+ kg :oops:

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Re: 100 Kg rider

Postby Zippy7 » Tue Mar 27, 2018 4:55 pm

I was around 110kgs when I got a new bike with Fulcrum 7 LGs.
They had 24 spokes rear.
Rear kept breaking spokes. Had it rebuilt and then moved the bike on.
Some people had good experiences, some have had poor (you could say that about almost any brand).
Maybe mine were Friday afternoon wheels.
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Re: 100 Kg rider

Postby Ivanerrol » Wed Mar 28, 2018 8:59 pm

edsa wrote:
Derny Driver wrote:Hi ivan
Im sitting here looking at my son's Fulcrum Racing Quattros. Deep 35mm rims. $384 on wiggle.


+1 to the Quattros. I have the CX version use them as my commuting wheel daily and have been using them for the last 3+ years without it going out of true. Solid wheel and have been through quite a few bumps in the road..
I am also 100+ kg :oops:


Seen some LG Quattros. I note that these only feature 16 spokes on the front and 21 spokes on the rear. Enough to hold up 100kg plus bike?

I notice that some other Fulcrums are weight limited at 109kg's.
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Re: 100 Kg rider

Postby Ivanerrol » Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:32 pm

Just conversed with a Wiggle rep.
Those Fulcrum's are indeed weight limited to 109Kg riders.
The advise is for 82kg riders plus to be very vigilant on the spokes and rims with a warranty limit on 109kg.
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Re: 100 Kg rider

Postby 10speedsemiracer » Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:57 pm

See response in other thread :

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Re: 100 Kg rider

Postby colinmc400 » Sat Mar 31, 2018 3:10 pm

Speak to Greg at TWE wheels and he will build you some bomb proof wheels that won't go out of round. I was up to 135kg at one point and never put a spanner on his wheels in a couple of years. I am under a hundred now and also have his Carbon Pro Extremes and there is no rider weight limit on those and als ZERO loose spokes or going out of round.

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Re: 100 Kg rider

Postby Ivanerrol » Sat Mar 31, 2018 6:28 pm

Thanks for all the advice on those wheels.

Unfortunately I'm one of those thrift conscious people who doesn't want to over capitalize the goods.

I only paid $ 450.00 for the bike itself. I've done a couple of thousand K's on it.

I managed to pick up a set of near new DT Swiss R1900 20spoke fronts and 24 spoke rears with new Continental GP's for $135.00.

They roll very well on the Allez.

Meanwhile I have other plans for this bike. You will see these in another thread.

Next.

On the Jalco Wheels I have some Vittoria Zaffiro Slick's 25mm.
Today after doing a 25K run around the suburbs doing errands I noticed this.
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Front wheel only. Rear wheel is fine.

The recommended pressure for these tyres are 100 - 130psi. I keep them at 100 to match my 100Kg weight :shock:

Weight issue? Or maybe they're old tyres. Or did I ride them somewhere I shouldn't have?
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Re: 100 Kg rider

Postby Derny Driver » Sat Mar 31, 2018 6:35 pm

Old tyres mate. They'll be fine to ride on.

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Re: 100 Kg rider

Postby Ivanerrol » Thu Apr 12, 2018 11:08 pm

Derny Driver wrote:Old tyres mate. They'll be fine to ride on.


Update.

Tyre has failed after a few hundred more K's.
Cracks opened up right around the circumference and bead starting coming through. :roll:

New tyre installed. - Some Vittoria model as the closest LBS didn't have that many diverse brands. This was on bicycle N+1

The day after I was out on N. Suffered a tube failure. - Might have been my heavy weight going too fast over speed humps with old tubes :roll:
Of course the only spare tube I was carrying was a 28-32 and the tube required was 18 -25. After roadside changing tubes, rode off slowly to closest LBS for the correct size.
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Re: 100 Kg rider

Postby Ivanerrol » Thu May 17, 2018 10:14 pm

Update two.

Here's the second of that old tyre with all the age holes.

Had to remove the tyre - very difficult
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Rusted steel bead. Rubber perished - fell apart while trying to remove the tyre
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Re: 100 Kg rider

Postby DavidS » Thu May 17, 2018 10:33 pm

Just back on the wheels: I used to break spokes almost weekly. I've dropped from maybe 120Kg to about 95Kg now but the real solution was better wheels.

I got these: http://kotavelo.com.au/store/como-clydesdale/tandem-wheelset.html and they are brilliant, absolutely bulletproof.

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Re: 100 Kg rider

Postby paule11 » Sat May 19, 2018 8:24 pm

Ivanerrol wrote:Just conversed with a Wiggle rep.
Those Fulcrum's are indeed weight limited to 109Kg riders.
The advise is for 82kg riders plus to be very vigilant on the spokes and rims with a warranty limit on 109kg.


Have been riding Zondas for over ayear weight has been between 93 kg to 102 kg have had no problems or buckles

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Re: 100 Kg rider

Postby jacks1071 » Thu May 31, 2018 1:45 pm

DavidS wrote:Just back on the wheels: I used to break spokes almost weekly. I've dropped from maybe 120Kg to about 95Kg now but the real solution was better wheels.

I got these: http://kotavelo.com.au/store/como-clydesdale/tandem-wheelset.html and they are brilliant, absolutely bulletproof.

DS


Glad you are enjoying them! Only problem for me is they don't seem to wear out... Have plenty of stock on hand if anyone needs them.
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Re: 100 Kg rider

Postby DavidS » Thu May 31, 2018 9:11 pm

jacks1071 wrote:
DavidS wrote:Just back on the wheels: I used to break spokes almost weekly. I've dropped from maybe 120Kg to about 95Kg now but the real solution was better wheels.

I got these: http://kotavelo.com.au/store/como-clydesdale/tandem-wheelset.html and they are brilliant, absolutely bulletproof.

DS


Glad you are enjoying them! Only problem for me is they don't seem to wear out... Have plenty of stock on hand if anyone needs them.


I'm trying, I think I've done around 15,000 on one set and the other set will go on my second bike when the new cranks arrive, we'll see how they go on the Allegro.

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