Hills and trying to breath
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Hills and trying to breath
Postby tuco » Tue May 01, 2007 9:17 am
I did some hill climbs today and one didn't seem to stop. The problem we have in Townsville is there is no in between hills. It's either flat or 'Oh crap, you're kidding!'
Anyway, I got up this never ending hill and I was totally out of breath. I really had trouble getting my breathing back to normal but a check of my HR monitor (after a minute or so) and my HR was only 158. The other two were out of breath too but they took off to do two more with no rest in between but I waited until they got back then did the next one with them.
Not even sure of the question here but is that the classic case of being in the anaerobic zone?
All together we did 4 hills and a total of 34km and my ave and max HR were only 150 and 181. I thought for sure it would be higher from these hill climbs but I seem to have that under control and it seems my issue at the moment is being able to breath under extreme exertion.
I assume the only way of improving the problem is more and more hill climbs.
Until now I've avoided hills like the plague but there's a time when a man has to do what man has to do.
Does anyone has any comments or hints?
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Postby europa » Tue May 01, 2007 10:19 am
Just get out on the bike and ride the things - not sure that that's a downside actually
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Postby sogood » Tue May 01, 2007 10:51 am
For high intensity interval training, HRMs are totally useless. You either go with a PM or by perceived maximal effort that can be sustained for a defined period of time.
Of course, there's always the possibility that you weren't pushing hard enough.
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Postby mikesbytes » Tue May 01, 2007 1:00 pm
+1 climb lots of hills.Bnej wrote:Nothing trains you for climbing hills like climbing a lot of hills.
With the improvements you have made over the last 6 months, you are ready to step up your training with some serious hill climbing.
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Postby tuco » Tue May 01, 2007 1:09 pm
That's why I let the others go and do another lap before I continued.Bnej wrote:Nothing trains you for climbing hills like climbing a lot of hills.
I wouldn't try to force your breathing back to normal at the top of a hill, you're using a lot of oxygen and you need to put it back. Just slow down a bit and let your breathing catch up.
Looks like I'm heading for the hills. I've got nearly two weeks before the next race so I bit of hard work this week won't hurt.
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Postby kslim » Tue May 01, 2007 2:19 pm
Could you have hyperventilated a little (or a lot)?
This will cause a subjective sensation of being very short of breath. One of the "risks" with certain rhythmic activities is timing your breathing to the rhythm of what you are doing. If you were breathing with pedal stroke, you could have actually been "overbreathing" Sometimes you need to break the breathing rhythm.
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Postby tuco » Tue May 01, 2007 2:38 pm
I had been in the habit of rhythmic breathing during my running days but that went out the window with riding.kslim wrote:This will cause a subjective sensation of being very short of breath. One of the "risks" with certain rhythmic activities is timing your breathing to the rhythm of what you are doing. If you were breathing with pedal stroke, you could have actually been "overbreathing" Sometimes you need to break the breathing rhythm.
I may have an answer :
I just checked the BoM weather site and at the time we were riding it was only 21C but the humidity was 98%
The combination of the need for oxygen and the high humidity may has lessened my recovery time.
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Postby Halfanewb » Tue May 01, 2007 3:15 pm
This is one of the reasons why we have a lag in breathing rate as we exert more physical effort, the co2 is produced as a part of the cellular chemical reaction and takes time to renter the blood stream and make its way back to the lungs.
The blood has a finite ability to be able to carry away co2 and the rest backs up waiting patiently for its chance, recovery time is not because one is "out" of oxygen but is actually the time your body needs to flush that excess co2 out of your system.
Hyperventilating is when no signal to breath reaches the brain because there isn't enough co2 to send the signal, so the brain says "keep breathing fast just in case" , this is why the paper bag works, it restores the enough co2 to get the signal working correctly.
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Postby mikesbytes » Tue May 01, 2007 9:25 pm
I thought you were still heaving when you posted.tuco wrote:I see no one has picked my up on the thread heading error.
I was tossing up between 'out of breath' and 'trying to breathe' and mixed them up.
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Postby europa » Tue May 01, 2007 9:57 pm
I check my spelling as I go, re-read and edit the post before submitting, then read it after it's been posted - it's interesting to note the number of times typos and plain old mistakes still get through that lot.
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Postby sogood » Wed May 02, 2007 7:50 am
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Postby europa » Wed May 02, 2007 9:24 am
Hey, I'm providing the raw material, its up to you lot to pass around the collection platesogood wrote:If we collectively received 5c for every post you went over 50 words, we'd be able to host an ACF cyclefest with beers all round.europa wrote:If I charged 5c for every spelling error I spotted and corrected on this forum, I'd be able to buy that new Barchetta I'm looking at ... and would still leave plenty of profit for someone else
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Postby AUbicycles » Thu May 03, 2007 5:43 am
With deeper longer breathing I feel more focus as wellm, short breathing tends to make me more less concentrated and basically out of breath.
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Postby sogood » Thu May 03, 2007 8:09 am
RK wrote:And that is Wikipedia - I can write my own definition.
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Postby tuco » Thu May 03, 2007 10:50 am
I never look at the top of the hill, try to keep breaths deep and consistent and concentrate on pedalling technique.
I try to stay seated.
The training hill is about a 40m rise in 300m (but the view to Magnetic Island from the top is great) so staying seated isn't an option near the top but in the race last week with 5 laps over a hill I stayed seated the entire time.
It's always good knowing someone is behind you and finding it harder.
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Postby rider06 » Thu May 03, 2007 11:16 am
I hear you - the end of my commute home from uni is a 1km hill with a roundabout 150m from the summit and about 300m from my destination. There is nothing worse than working hard up that f***ing hill only to have to drop all momentum and rhythm whilst waiting for the traffic to clear.The worst hills are hills with give-ways at the top, so you have to stop on the slope and wait for through traffic, then start again on the hill.
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Postby mikesbytes » Thu May 03, 2007 11:21 am
Nah, the worst hills are ones where the stop sign is at the bottom, so all that speed going down is wasted, rather than letting you carry that speed into going up the other side.Bnej wrote:The worst hills are hills with give-ways at the top, so you have to stop on the slope and wait for through traffic, then start again on the hill.
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Postby Bnej » Thu May 03, 2007 11:42 am
Got no probs with them. As long as you don't have to restart on a steep slope it's fine IMO.mikesbytes wrote:Nah, the worst hills are ones where the stop sign is at the bottom, so all that speed going down is wasted, rather than letting you carry that speed into going up the other side.
I don't mind the physical effort, it's just the co-ordination required to get the bike moving, get back on the seat, clip in, keep momentum, make the turn. Plus it's harder to pick a gap in the traffic because it takes you longer to get through the intersection from such a start.
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