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Postby AUbicycles » Tue May 08, 2007 6:27 am
Jan Ulrich was also discussed heavily in this forum in the past, apparently new evidence against him is coming shortly from Switzerland. Quoted in European news is that up to 100 riders who would normally participate in the 2007 Tour de France have patient records with the Spanish doctor. Based upon what happens next with Basso and forthcoming evidence, the Tour de France could run an entirely different field of riders than expected.
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Postby gdl_gdl » Tue May 08, 2007 7:47 am
This is looking serious, what's everybody doing in July?
I can hear the Phil Liggett commentary now "We have a cyclist with a trailer entering the mountains!" (Followed by a bunch of riders on fixies!)
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Postby gururug » Tue May 08, 2007 9:00 am
Especially those who rise to fame off their own bat, then their form slides. THe pressure of the media and their fans must be enourmouse. Everyone imagins that they are that person at their peak, all the time.
I feel sorry for them. Maybe there should be another grade for them. i.e.;
D Grade
C Grade
B Grade
A Grade
Elite Cyclists
Elite Cyclists on dope
Then it could be out in the open and they can race against other dopers.
Spare a thought for them and their families.
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Postby tuco » Tue May 08, 2007 9:33 am
Well maybe those who don't understand training and peaking for events.gururug wrote: . . . Everyone imagines that they are that person at their peak, all the time.
Just change the last category to 'Dope'.gururug wrote:Maybe there should be another grade for them. i.e.;
D Grade
C Grade
B Grade
A Grade
Elite Cyclists
Elite Cyclists on dope
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Postby pospete » Tue May 08, 2007 7:41 pm
It is sad but I think most of the time the dope takers think they'll get away with it and upto now many of them have. I guess now testing will become alot stricter and less open to tampering. At the end of the day it should be fair to everyone.
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Postby Halfanewb » Tue May 08, 2007 9:40 pm
At first i thought how are they going to be able to detect that! but then all that extra blood must increase blood pressure so any sharp increase above normal levels would register as an anomaly, i wonder if it was whole blood or processed blood with a high red blood cell count.
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Postby Mulger bill » Tue May 08, 2007 10:18 pm
Does use of ordinary painkillers during an event have a performance enhancing effect?
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Postby Bnej » Tue May 08, 2007 10:33 pm
Asprin and Ibuprofen drop your blood pressure (they put me to sleep) so I can't think they'd do you much good. Can also upset your stomach.Mulger bill wrote:Does use of ordinary painkillers during an event have a performance enhancing effect?
Don't know about others.
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Postby Noids » Tue May 08, 2007 10:41 pm
Ordinary pain killers such as panadol or aspirin (or most non-steroidal anti-inflammatories) are not prohibited, nor is codeine. Stronger opioid pain killers are prohibited however, as are cortisone based anti-inflammatories administered systemically.
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Postby Mr888 » Tue May 08, 2007 10:42 pm
Wow! Thanks for highlighting that. I didn't know that that was possible. I'm tempted to go to the blood bank now...to make a withdrawal...is that allowed???Imanewbie wrote:I saw a snippet on the news tonight, it was then that i understood the term blood doping properly. Seems that athletes are having their blood taken and stored for when a major event comes up then have it pumped back into their bodies to increase the total amount of blood improving oxygen uptake and delivery and hence performance.
At first i thought how are they going to be able to detect that! but then all that extra blood must increase blood pressure so any sharp increase above normal levels would register as an anomaly, i wonder if it was whole blood or processed blood with a high red blood cell count.
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Postby sogood » Tue May 08, 2007 10:44 pm
Why do you want to know? I couldn't care less. The more spin doctoring he use for his community based defence, the more I think he is guilty. And given it's in the US court system, let's just say it'll be a while...MichaelB wrote:Speaking of TdF, what is the latest with Floyd Landis - has he been done for good, or is it still in the courts ?
RK wrote:And that is Wikipedia - I can write my own definition.
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Postby bigbuzz73 » Tue May 08, 2007 11:10 pm
Like everything, anabolic steroid use has it's advantages...... and I think the guys on it have a HUGE advantage!
No, not as a performance enhancer, but because it shrivels their "family jewels" so much that they can get much more comfortable in the saddle with so little to get in the way! Hehehe!!
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Postby heavymetal » Tue May 08, 2007 11:23 pm
Followed by another cyclist with a trailer and 4 panniers. And on the downhill a peloton of fully loaded touring bikes in the lead as gravity takes over.gdl_gdl wrote:I can hear the Phil Liggett commentary now "We have a cyclist with a trailer entering the mountains!" (Followed by a bunch of riders on fixies!)
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Postby europa » Tue May 08, 2007 11:37 pm
Ignore Kev, he's just reliving his sanityheavymetal wrote:Followed by another cyclist with a trailer and 4 panniers. And on the downhill a peloton of fully loaded touring bikes in the lead as gravity takes over.gdl_gdl wrote:I can hear the Phil Liggett commentary now "We have a cyclist with a trailer entering the mountains!" (Followed by a bunch of riders on fixies!)
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Postby heavymetal » Tue May 08, 2007 11:42 pm
Also their water bottles all came out on the bumps.
I think a touring bike would be better in this situation. The water bottles have velcro to stop them flying out, the tyres are wider, and the frame has bit of flex for bumpy roads
Long live the peloton of loaded touring bikes
As the men in white coats and rubber lined truck drag me away............
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Postby AUbicycles » Wed May 09, 2007 4:55 am
There are a lot of grey areas regarding testing for blood doping as many atheletes have proven in the past that even a simple asprin can affect a read-out and therefor make the actual test results unclear.
I often think about what new methods are being developed and being used by professional athletes that are not yet able to be tested.
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Postby Mulger bill » Wed May 09, 2007 7:29 am
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Postby Halfanewb » Wed May 09, 2007 7:56 am
I'm not sure about elite athletes but after seeing the results of a study that looked into the benefits of taking 1 asprin daily i have started this in addition to the omega3 and B group supplement. The effects of the asprin are not that noticeable but with the omega3 supplement i could feel some benefits, sounds weird i know but i felt fitter after a week. Both the asprin and the omega3 have effects on the blood, the asprin thins it and the omega3 reduces its stickiness. When i'm cycling up hills i definitely notice the difference, the blood doesn't pound away like it used to, though i am sure my increasing fitness plays a part in this.Mulger bill wrote:AFAIK, they used concentrated red cells, it boosts the haematocrit like a dose of EPO. It's been used in endurance sports for years.
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