Slipstreaming whilst commuting?
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Slipstreaming whilst commuting?
Postby eucryphia » Thu Feb 19, 2009 9:50 pm
I assume the correct technique is as seen on the TDF; pull to the right, drop back and pull in behind.
It can't be assumed that another commuter knows what to do or that they have any experience in group rides. Perhaps it's just too dangerous while commuting.
Is there a universal signal to indicate your willingness to slipstream?
I ask because I've been a bit embarrassed getting a tow behind another rider in the past and not sharing the load, but thought it a bit dangerous if the other person doesn't know what I'm doing and I suddenly pull out on the right on them.
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Postby ajh003 » Thu Feb 19, 2009 9:57 pm
I've only ever done it twice when some lycra crew pass me
I usually try and keep with them for a few kms and have had one older guy who passed me on a roadie...I latched on and he turned and smiled
I said is it ok if I stay with you He was more than happy to have me along
I really enjoyed it and would love to do it more as it pushes me to a higher level as well
I too would love to know if there is a protocol with this
I hate to say it but sometimes I cannot even get a smile out of some of the lycra crew....When I say goodaye they just curse and go past
thankfully its not a majority = but it sure has turned me off being one of em
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Postby sogood » Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:01 pm
Sometimes it's not as it seems.ajh003 wrote:I hate to say it but sometimes I cannot even get a smile out of some of the lycra crew....When I say goodaye they just curse and go past
thankfully its not a majority = but it sure has turned me off being one of em
Many riders ride for training benefits and pushes them hard. It may all just be bad timing for them to acknowledge you in any other way.
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Postby sogood » Fri Feb 20, 2009 8:40 am
RK wrote:And that is Wikipedia - I can write my own definition.
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Postby Pax » Fri Feb 20, 2009 8:56 am
Yes it is fine to do it. IF you have the experience and skills to do it safely.
Just be polite, and communicate with the other person.
If they don't want to do it, get off them. If they do, then definitely take a share of the lead if you are capable of the pace. If you aren't capable of the pace at the front, be polite and ask if they mind you getting a lift from them. Most people will be happy to be acknowledged as a stronger rider and be happy for you to tag along.
Re taking turns at the front, wave them around if you are on the front and ready for a break but they aren't instigating the change. If you are behind and they aren't waving you around pick a safe place and OFFER...don't forget if they are training they might not want to slipstream off you even if they are happy for you to slipstream off them (though I'd have to say that is rare IMO).
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Postby Aushiker » Fri Feb 20, 2009 11:43 am
G'daysogood wrote:But seriously, how many of us have heard riders curse another apart for when the other rider was doing something stupid? Personally, never. I'd say we need to hear the other side of the story too.
Andrew said "When I say goodaye they just curse and go past
thankfully its not a majority = but it sure has turned me off being one of em". If someone says G'day is cursing back really okay?
Personally I find I get ignored more often than not. I just put it down to not hearing me or not understanding what I said, or rudeness. Take your pick.
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Postby Aushiker » Fri Feb 20, 2009 11:45 am
I think the key is as Pax said, to communicate.
Personally I don't mind someone sucking my wheel if they take their turn, but I get really PO at the leeches, especially when the suck my wheel to a hill and then drop me
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Postby sogood » Fri Feb 20, 2009 11:57 am
They were trying to pull you up the hill but you weren't keeping up.Aushiker wrote:...but I get really PO at the leeches, especially when the suck my wheel to a hill and then drop me
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Postby jasimon » Fri Feb 20, 2009 11:59 am
(Only time it ever really happened was over the harbour bridge - and then it was more a case of queues forming behind slower riders and limited overtaking opportunities. Didn't mean I didn't appreciate that the person at the front was doing more work, but it wasn't really formal slipstreaming.)
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Postby toofat » Fri Feb 20, 2009 12:31 pm
I think these riders expect me to collapse in a heap and spew rather than take a pull at the front so I don't think I am offending them
last week I had a commuter on a flatbar sucking my wheel for a long way, I just presumed he could'nt make it past and was pleased that he didnt, not bothered at all
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Postby Aushiker » Fri Feb 20, 2009 12:38 pm
I probably should add that the ones that get up my nose are the types that don't fit into the category you referred to. Those guys I don't mind and have shared the odd stretch with on occaisions.toofat wrote:if I am behind someone I am usually panting and wheezing that much that talking is not possible,
I think these riders expect me to collapse in a heap and spew rather than take a pull at the front so I don't think I am offending them
last week I had a commuter on a flatbar sucking my wheel for a long way, I just presumed he could'nt make it past and was pleased that he didnt, not bothered at all
The last dude probably has his nose out of joint because I passed him when he was cruising along (which is why I passed him) on his tri bike. He then just picked up pace a bit and sat on my wheel for a few kilometres before passing and stomping on his pedals. He gave an impression of doing nothing more than leeching until it didn't suit him any more. Not a word from him either.
Rudeness in my view.
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Postby leximack » Fri Feb 20, 2009 12:46 pm
I would prefer to be in the front though if i dont know the other person, as if there is an issue usually the wheel sucker is the one that goes down.
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Postby sogood » Fri Feb 20, 2009 12:58 pm
RK wrote:And that is Wikipedia - I can write my own definition.
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Postby Boognoss » Fri Feb 20, 2009 1:00 pm
Alternatively I'll never wheel suck someone else because I don't know them or their abilities. If I catch up I'll hang back a few bike lengths until i can safely overtake.
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Postby Aushiker » Fri Feb 20, 2009 1:07 pm
You might if you where doing 30 to 40 km into the Fremantle Doctor ... It changes the whole perspective here IMO and sharing the load in these circumstances is about doing the right thing or caring I guess.sogood wrote:Who cares, as long as he/she isn't slowing you down. .
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Postby martinjs » Fri Feb 20, 2009 1:22 pm
Mind you when the wind is right and a Double B flys buy at 100k+ I get a good 100meter tow.
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Postby Ant. » Fri Feb 20, 2009 1:43 pm
A triathlete... 'nuff said Probably got embarassed about being overtaken while down on his tri bars and needed to stroke his ego.Aushiker wrote: I probably should add that the ones that get up my nose are the types that don't fit into the category you referred to. Those guys I don't mind and have shared the odd stretch with on occaisions.
The last dude probably has his nose out of joint because I passed him when he was cruising along (which is why I passed him) on his tri bike. He then just picked up pace a bit and sat on my wheel for a few kilometres before passing and stomping on his pedals. He gave an impression of doing nothing more than leeching until it didn't suit him any more. Not a word from him either.
Rudeness in my view.
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But seriously, to some, getting overtaken is a bit of a wakeup call to stop slacking off, so that's probably all it was. He should've said Gday or something though, I always do.
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Postby Ant. » Fri Feb 20, 2009 1:49 pm
I like riding as training, so I don't mind if anyone grabs my wheel for as long as they want. I'm pretty predictable as a rider so I'm not that concerned, as most wouldn't feel confident sucking a wheel of a stranger if they didn't know what they were doing. I wouldn't draft unless I knew they knew I was there, but the majority of riders here have an ipod blaring in their ears... too hard.Aushiker wrote:You might if you where doing 30 to 40 km into the Fremantle Doctor ... It changes the whole perspective here IMO and sharing the load in these circumstances is about doing the right thing or caring I guess.sogood wrote:Who cares, as long as he/she isn't slowing you down. .
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I do like drafting road trains though
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Postby colafreak » Fri Feb 20, 2009 1:53 pm
So as long as they make themselves known and give me the space to sprint and change lanes etc. I don't mind.
But for the same reason, I'm very wary of slipstreaming joe average when commuting.
Early morning rides are a bit different (I'm part of the lycra brigade) as everyone's pretty cool with teaming up and taking turns, riding smoothly etc.
Although you have to be considerate too. If someone's training and doesn't want to ride with you and you overtake them, you better stay damn well ahead!
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Postby wintal » Fri Feb 20, 2009 1:53 pm
I generally find it safer to trade to the front by overtaking rather than the front 'peeling off', you generally don't have very good communication with randoms, and this doesn't require any, just take the lead and try not to go too fast or too slow.
If you're in the lead and someone's getting a tow and not sharing the load when you want to there's not a lot you can do. Also, the different in power required in the lead to behind is so much that they're quite possibly not capable of keeping up your pace.
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Postby Aushiker » Fri Feb 20, 2009 7:52 pm
The wake-up call part doesn't bother me, it was the picking up speed to just sit on my wheel for ages without a word or an offer to take the front in to the south westerly that got me.Ant. wrote:But seriously, to some, getting overtaken is a bit of a wakeup call to stop slacking off, so that's probably all it was. He should've said Gday or something though, I always do.
I have passed a tri rider before who was also slacking off I suspect. Did that on the flatbar and I said hello as I went pass. He really didn't like that and came after me and passed me without a word ... Ah well ...
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Postby leximack » Fri Feb 20, 2009 8:02 pm
I passed one on the M7 cycleway a few weeks ago, and he got a tad shirty at me i think, he put in all he had to get on my wheel. I let him suck my wheel along the flat until the climb came (the one heading up to eliz dr from prestons), then put the hammer down and dropped him like a sack of potatos , but what am i to judge, maybe he had just swam 2km and ran 20km and was on the "bike" leg. I had victory for that moment though
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