Raleigh Twenty
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Postby toff » Thu Feb 26, 2009 9:16 pm
You can do anything on a Twenty that you can do on a (heavy) BMX. The small wheels are a big plus for overcoming the weight of the bike, as they effectively change the bike's gearing down. Studies show that these small wheel sizes are more efficient at speeds under ~25km/h, and equally efficient at speeds up to 53km/h. To prove this point, and the point that small wheels don't sacrifice handling ability, some guy in Canada once raced his Moulton in a criterium! (Didn't win though.)
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Postby hartleymartin » Mon Mar 16, 2009 1:27 pm
Its not an original Raleigh Twenty, but I am sure that it is a non-folding version of the later-frame styled Stowaway:
My Raleigh "Utility" it is borrowing the saddle from my MTB and has a nice black wire basket on the front. Those baskets are very practical and handy. I wonder why you always seem to have to purchase these things separately.
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Re: Raleigh Twenty
Postby hartleymartin » Mon Sep 14, 2009 11:39 am
I recently acquired a Raleigh Twenty as a project bike. Indeed it is going to be a project, because I'm going to just about have to rebuild it from the ground up.
(Seller's photo)
I received it in completely knocked down form.
Now, I just read the serial number and referred to Sheldon Brown's dating information and hopefully I have interpreted it correctly
NA5000029
N = Nottingham
A = Fortnight A
5 = 1975
And it looks like this was the 29th frame built.
Sheldon says that this numbering system was applied to frames built of 531 and 753 tube-sets. Obviously this Twenty is not made from those tube-sets. I am wondering whether or not this number system was eventually applied to all Nottingham-built Raleighs.
The only history of this particular bicycle I have is that it was originally bought in the 1970's and the owner rode it around for several years. I presume the owner was somewhere in Adelaide, South Australia, as that is where the seller sent it from (seller was not original owner).
Unfortunately the steerer is bent (may have happened in transit - I'm not making any accusations towards the seller). I shall have a go at straightening it, but in the end my Raleigh "Utility" may become a parts donor for this bicycle.
This is also a fantastic opportunity to modernise it. Since there are so few original components left, I feel no compulsion to make a full historical restoration. I have given thoughts to the possibility of getting a BMX fork and instead of extending the steerer, just cutting down the head-tube (still has original nylon bushing - I do have a complete ISO headset which would suit). Anyway, these are mostly ideas. I have several other bits and pieces which I can fit and hopefully turn this into a very useful little bicycle.
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Re: Raleigh Twenty
Postby spirito » Tue Sep 15, 2009 2:17 am
One day i'll get around to cleaning up the twin Raleigh 20's I have in the shed. Matching right up to the 12/74 Sturmey Archer date codes and blue paint. Sad story but I bought the pair off a guy who used them with his wife to ride around the northern suburbs, original owner, perfect condition. They'd been sitting unused in his garage for years after his wife passed away.
Still not sure if I'll keep 'em as is or mod them up.
Phil Wood make Stainless Steel 1.370" x 26tpi BB cups to suit the Raleigh proprietary threading. Not cheap but that opens up a world of options for using other cranks.
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Re: Raleigh Twenty
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Re: Raleigh Twenty
Postby hartleymartin » Tue Sep 15, 2009 10:36 am
You're not kidding when you say "not cheap" - I'm hoping I can get my hands on a Shimano UN72 cartridge bottom bracket. Then I just have to buy some phil wood rings to install it. I have also seen "threadless" cartridge bottom brackets which are designed to fit in where the threads are damaged or into odd Swiss or French threadings.spirito wrote:Phil Wood make Stainless Steel 1.370" x 26tpi BB cups to suit the Raleigh proprietary threading. Not cheap but that opens up a world of options for using other cranks.
However, if I can pull the existing spindle out and the cups are not pitted, I'd go along the cheap and easy path of just putting in new ball bearings and a fresh packing of grease - put my money into other things to get it back on the road.
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Re: Raleigh Twenty
Postby spirito » Tue Sep 15, 2009 11:32 am
Well, if you aren't planning on running anything than the original cranks then it'd make sense to keep the original BB in place. Of course if you're planning a wider range of crank options then Phil Wood is your friend. Phil Wood cups and BB mightn't be cheap but it is a quality product that is for the most set and forget. Using Phil cups with a UN72 is ok but if you think finding a UN72 axle/sleeve to suit is difficult now, think how it's gonna be some time later when it needs a replacement. Sometimes it makes sense to pay more.hartleymartin wrote:You're not kidding when you say "not cheap" - I'm hoping I can get my hands on a Shimano UN72 cartridge bottom bracket. Then I just have to buy some phil wood rings to install it. I have also seen "threadless" cartridge bottom brackets which are designed to fit in where the threads are damaged or into odd Swiss or French threadings.spirito wrote:Phil Wood make Stainless Steel 1.370" x 26tpi BB cups to suit the Raleigh proprietary threading. Not cheap but that opens up a world of options for using other cranks.
However, if I can pull the existing spindle out and the cups are not pitted, I'd go along the cheap and easy path of just putting in new ball bearings and a fresh packing of grease - put my money into other things to get it back on the road.
Handsome young man like yourself should be able to rustle up some kinda sugar-momma to support your bike habits ... if anything, she might also be a good source of tweed
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Re: Raleigh Twenty
Postby hartleymartin » Tue Sep 15, 2009 11:42 am
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Re: Raleigh Twenty
Postby spirito » Tue Sep 15, 2009 12:12 pm
Google is your friendhartleymartin wrote:Does anyone know the part number for Phil Woods' cartridge bottom bracket for the Raleigh Twenty? I've been looking around, but not having much success.
http://www.chainringtransitauthority.co ... pecs.shtml
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Re: Raleigh Twenty
Postby lemmiwinks » Tue Sep 15, 2009 2:24 pm
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Re: Raleigh Twenty
Postby hartleymartin » Tue Sep 15, 2009 6:44 pm
BMRRI - Raleigh Super Corsa - Stainless Steel** - 1.370" x 26tpi - RH & LH - 24gr - $60AUD
BMTRC0 - Portable Installation Tool "Consumer Tool" - 40gr - $20AUD
Now I just gotta pick ones of these from the list!
http://www.chainringtransitauthority.co ... pecs.shtml
Out of all the Raleigh Twenty websites and blogs I have looked at, they don't seem to specify any particular cartridge. Is this dependant on what cranks you use?
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Re: Raleigh Twenty
Postby lemmiwinks » Wed Sep 16, 2009 11:08 am
I think ignorance is bliss. I recently put together a bike for a friend (it was given to me as a wreck, I had 1/2 a go at making a Cruzbike FWD recumbent and gave up so it was just taking up space in the garage), took me bloody hours by the time I trued the rear wheel, tried (and failed so bought a new one from the tip) to true the front wheel, cleaned and regreased the BB bearings, cleaned the chain and sprockets, adjusted the brakes. Even then I only did a 1/2 arsed job as I should have replaced the front and rear tyres and possibly tubes, cleaned and lubed the headstem bearings, likewise the front and rear wheel bearings and coaster brake rear hub but I was sick of it and I'm giving it away for nix. I could have done a fully crap job and chances are she'd be happy and not notice any difference between that and the job I did, but my conscience prevented me.hartleymartin wrote:Thanks, At least I now know roughly what this is going to cost me. It seems that there are few cheap and cheerful restoration projects, short of buying a bicycle which only needs a lube, air and go.
I imagine so. Apart from JIS vs Hollowtech etc etc etc I think the cranks you choose will affect your chainline (though I stand to be corrected).hartleymartin wrote:Out of all the Raleigh Twenty websites and blogs I have looked at, they don't seem to specify any particular cartridge. Is this dependant on what cranks you use?
If you need that shoulder removed as per that article, I could probably machine it off for you. Should be a tad neater than using a bench grinder...
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Re: Raleigh Twenty
Postby hartleymartin » Wed Sep 16, 2009 10:12 pm
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Re: Raleigh Twenty
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Re: Raleigh Twenty
Postby hartleymartin » Thu Sep 24, 2009 6:33 pm
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Re: Raleigh Twenty
Postby hartleymartin » Sun Oct 11, 2009 5:15 pm
But I did find that I had a set of ISO headset bearing cups, so I knocked the nylon bushing out of the head-tube, rubbed some grease where the bearing cups press-in and I successfully got them into the head-tube. Just looking forward to a set of forks to go into the frame.
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Re: Raleigh Twenty
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Re: My first Raleigh
Postby hartleymartin » Mon Oct 12, 2009 12:24 am
I'm curious as to when They made the change from the H-frame to the U-frame. I have that Raleigh "Utility" still in my garage. (It's the same as the Stow-away except it's non-folding and has 22" x 1.75" wheels (even has original Raleigh-branded white-wall tyres!) All original - except that I swapped the stem onto another bicycle. Even with the Raleigh-Branded seat. Desperately needed a longer seat-post though to accommodate all 6'1" of me.
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Re: Raleigh Twenty
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Re: Raleigh Twenty
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Re: Raleigh Twenty
Postby hartleymartin » Sat Oct 17, 2009 11:28 pm
I scored another cheap folder off the net - "Daytona" some no-name brand with ridiculously low gearing (single speed 40 gear inches!) but it has a rear wheel with a band brake on it, so it will probable be transferred to the Twenty (BMX brakes don't reach the rear rim!) With any luck I'll be able to ride it soon! If I can get the right bits together I'll have a more reasonable gear of about 60" (unless I happen to lay my hands on a 20" wheel with a 5-speed cassette on it!)
If I am lucky I might even have it ready for the gong ride!
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Re: Raleigh Twenty
Postby hartleymartin » Mon Oct 19, 2009 9:10 pm
Kalloy make a seat-post which is 400mm long and weighs about 375 grams according to various websites. The supplied chromed steel seat-post has an equivalent length of 315mm and weighs the same. The Kalloy post also gives an extra 55~60mm of height compared to the supplied seat-post.
I also measured the height of the Bottom Bracket - it's real low - only 245mm, compared to 290mm on my Commuter/Tourer. The Fuji Touring is 263mm and the Surly LHT is 267mm - so it's LOWER than most touring bicycles. I'm getting ideas for a 5-speed hub and an extended mixed-mode holiday (a la sheldon)
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Re: Raleigh Twenty
Postby hartleymartin » Fri Oct 30, 2009 2:00 pm
Interestingly, it features an AG hub in the rear - it appears to be a 28-hole variety. I have not counted them, but the spacing appears wider than the 36-hole one I have.
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