Crapola!!!....P.E.D's in Cycling
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Postby MichaelB » Thu May 14, 2009 9:17 am
It will be interesting to see the results from Pfannberger and Rebellin.
I wonder what the defence strategy for Schumacher is now that the lawyer was saying the Olympic test is the leftover from TdF - but I didn't use anything .... oops ....
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Postby toolonglegs » Sat Jun 13, 2009 4:44 am
Or "we were young and carefree" ... not careless ?.xavdav wrote:I read in "l'equipe" today that Laurent Fignon has an advanced cancer of the digestive tracks, he is also about to publish a book about cycling and doping titled"We were young and careless"(translation of "Nous etions jeunes et insouciants"). He does not know if his cancer is due to what he took but he does not rule it out. He also admitted using cortisone and amphetamines regularly while until last year he was very defensive about this subject despite being busted officially twice in his career.
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Fignon answered frankly when the interviewer on the "7 a 8" program asked if there might have been a connection between his past doping practices and this illness.
"I will not say it did not play a role,†he said. “I just don’t know. At this point, it’s impossible to say yes or no. According to my doctors, apparently not. I discussed my personal history quite frankly and they said that would be too simple an explanation.
"Digestive cancer is primarily a disease of nutrition. The products I took were intramuscular, they didn't pass through the stomach. So, no, if all the cyclists who doped would later have cancer, then everyone would have cancer … Whether those who lived through 1998, when a lot of extreme things happened, will get cancer after 10 or 20 years, I really can't say.â€
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Postby toolonglegs » Wed Jul 01, 2009 11:39 pm
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Re: Crapola!!!....
Postby MichaelB » Thu Jul 02, 2009 10:05 am
Wonder if it had anything to do with rabobank slowly getting rid of him .....toolonglegs wrote:Poor old Cadel..another of his recruits out...Thomas Dekker test positive for EPO while riding for Rabobank!.
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Re: Crapola!!!....P.E.D's in Cycling
Postby jules21 » Tue Jul 14, 2009 10:15 pm
if you compare that with past practices of the US track and field association who covered up positive tests of its own athletes, the UCI can hold its head up high (if not all of the riders).
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Re: Crapola!!!....P.E.D's in Cycling
Postby gdt » Wed Jul 15, 2009 1:49 am
Can't say I've noticed the life bans for doping breaches which are used in some other sports.jules21 wrote:in defence of cycling, it has pulled out all stops to combat doping.
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Re: Crapola!!!....P.E.D's in Cycling
Postby jules21 » Wed Jul 15, 2009 10:12 am
compliance is composed broadly of two elements - detection capability and severity of sanction imposed once non-compliance is detected.
often severity is used as a substitute for a lack of detection capability - the latter being the better measure of how serious a compliance body is about compliance. i would argue life bans are not a reliable indicator that the governing body is serious about tackling performance enhancing drugs.
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Postby JV911 » Thu Oct 01, 2009 9:10 am
Dekker's B-Sample positive tootoolonglegs wrote:Poor old Cadel..another of his recruits out...Thomas Dekker test positive for EPO while riding for Rabobank!.
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Postby AUbicycles » Fri Oct 02, 2009 9:03 am
Need more companies putting on pressure like this.Shimano wrote:• If the team management of one of our sponsored teams (no matter in which cycling discipline) is involved in any doping affair, we will stop our sponsorship of this team immediately
• If an individual rider is involved in any doping affair without the knowledge of the team management, the team will be given the chance to give a clear explanation and a future improvement & control plan to Shimano, upon that it will be decided to continue the sponsoring or not. If another doping incident occurs within the same team, we will keep the option of terminating our sponsorship contract
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Postby AUbicycles » Mon Oct 05, 2009 7:12 am
Doping control avoidance is big business.
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Re: Crapola!!!....P.E.D's in Cycling
Postby RICHARDH » Mon Oct 05, 2009 3:55 pm
From my very little understanding of the Bio. Passport i think its a little more complicated. I rider cant blood dope 365 days a year so the variation does eventually happen i think the B.P. is a really good step in the right direction, though im sure some smart bugger will figure a way of getting around it its already catching some of the stupid ones.AUbicycles wrote:I think in some of the threads previously we have discussed one of the fatal flaws of the blood passport - if a riding already has 'manipulated values' from doping and then starts with the blood passport - it will all appear regular.
Doping control avoidance is big business.
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Postby 1st XV » Mon Oct 05, 2009 6:01 pm
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/gerdemann-denies-doping
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Re: Crapola!!!....P.E.D's in Cycling
Postby chris641 » Wed Oct 07, 2009 9:27 am
Better not be Cadel.... On the other hand maybe he could become the winner of the 2008 TDF? Who knows..
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Re: Crapola!!!....P.E.D's in Cycling
Postby grw » Wed Oct 07, 2009 12:37 pm
"Bordry said he believes illegal blood transfusions – for which there is a test – were still in use at this year's Tour, and he claimed that his agency had found evidence of "hardcore medicines" in rubbish bins during the Tour, including "a substance for producing insulin that is normally used by diabetics.""
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Re: Crapola!!!....P.E.D's in Cycling
Postby RICHARDH » Wed Oct 07, 2009 3:09 pm
chris641 wrote:Regarding the retesting of the 2008 TDF samples.... "The retesting involves 15 of the top 20 riders, according to Italian newspaper La Gazzetta dello Sport."
Better not be Cadel.... On the other hand maybe he could become the winner of the 2008 TDF? Who knows..
Nahh dont worry Cadel was barely in the top 40 , bet nothing comes of this it didnt last year. Wait for the new tests for the two new products and then theyll start getting them
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Re: Crapola!!!....P.E.D's in Cycling
Postby chris641 » Wed Oct 07, 2009 9:10 pm
No they are retesting the 2008 samples, when Cadel came 2nd... And yes I agree, once they develop tests for hematide and the other one there will be some cyclists in serious trouble.RICHARDH wrote:chris641 wrote:Regarding the retesting of the 2008 TDF samples.... "The retesting involves 15 of the top 20 riders, according to Italian newspaper La Gazzetta dello Sport."
Better not be Cadel.... On the other hand maybe he could become the winner of the 2008 TDF? Who knows..
Nahh dont worry Cadel was barely in the top 40 , bet nothing comes of this it didnt last year. Wait for the new tests for the two new products and then theyll start getting them
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Re: Crapola!!!....P.E.D's in Cycling
Postby Redbull » Wed Oct 07, 2009 9:29 pm
grw wrote:Saw this in the paper this morning....http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/oc ... able-drugs
"Bordry said he believes illegal blood transfusions – for which there is a test – were still in use at this year's Tour, and he claimed that his agency had found evidence of "hardcore medicines" in rubbish bins during the Tour, including "a substance for producing insulin that is normally used by diabetics.""
This always cracks me up this bit about stuff in rubbish bins. I mean you go to all the effort of opening apartments with false names, code names for blood samples, temporary medical facilities in different countries and training in far flung places, just to leave the evidence in the bin of the hotel you are staying at whilst the tour is running.
Please!!!!
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