Positively False - Floyd Landis Books
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Postby europa » Tue Sep 04, 2007 2:25 pm
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Re: Positively False - Floyd Landis Books
Postby sogood » Tue Sep 04, 2007 2:33 pm
No, not interested in helping him to fund his lawyers and PR show.zasa wrote:Has anyone here read his new book?
RK wrote:And that is Wikipedia - I can write my own definition.
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Postby Kalgrm » Tue Sep 04, 2007 2:39 pm
Don't believe everything you read ....
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Postby europa » Tue Sep 04, 2007 2:40 pm
There's a difference between 'defend' and 'blatant cover up with lies and false accusations'.zasa wrote:You don't believe people have a right to defend themselves?
If Flandis wants respect, he can come clean and apologise. It's worked for everyone else who's tried it. In the meantime, cycling is the loser, not poor Flandis.
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Postby sogood » Tue Sep 04, 2007 2:48 pm
RK wrote:And that is Wikipedia - I can write my own definition.
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Postby tallywhacker » Wed Sep 05, 2007 12:24 pm
What I find interesting is people's different reactions to both and that in both cases they were "outed" by L'Equipe
just my 2 bobs worth
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Postby europa » Wed Sep 05, 2007 12:34 pm
The results from Flandis' tests were the result of artificial testosterone, not natural.tallywhacker wrote:Didn't Ian Thorpe test positive for "abnormal levels" of 2 banned substances (testosterone and epitestosterone) and was just exonerated because they were "naturally occurring".
What I find interesting is people's different reactions to both and that in both cases they were "outed" by L'Equipe
just my 2 bobs worth
There are sportsmen (and women) who get caught by tests and later exonerated - thing is, they don't behave like this clown has done. Then there are those that just accept they got caught and put their hand up.
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Postby Bnej » Wed Sep 05, 2007 12:35 pm
Not only did Landis have something in the region of 10 times his base level (heavy drinking can explain something like a 2x higher reading in men and a smaller effect in women), they know from analysis that it was synthetic.
If they had similar evidence against Thorpe he would have been banned too.
Not to mention that what he did was basically impossible. I was watching the coverage a bit at the time and found it really crazy that he could go and make a solo breakaway like that. You don't see that kind of variation at the top levels of most sports.
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Postby sogood » Wed Sep 05, 2007 1:05 pm
Yes, this aspect makes him most unlikable. At the same time, he is taking the whole sport of cycling down with him using every trick in the PR spin trade. Pretty pathetic.europa wrote:There are sportsmen (and women) who get caught by tests and later exonerated - thing is, they don't behave like this clown has done. Then there are those that just accept they got caught and put their hand up.
RK wrote:And that is Wikipedia - I can write my own definition.
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Postby tallywhacker » Wed Sep 05, 2007 2:05 pm
all the reports I read talked about "2 banned substances". How can you ban a substance that occurrs naturally in your body ?europa wrote:The results from Flandis' tests were the result of artificial testosterone, not natural.tallywhacker wrote:Didn't Ian Thorpe test positive for "abnormal levels" of 2 banned substances (testosterone and epitestosterone) and was just exonerated because they were "naturally occurring".
What I find interesting is people's different reactions to both and that in both cases they were "outed" by L'Equipe
just my 2 bobs worth
There are sportsmen (and women) who get caught by tests and later exonerated - thing is, they don't behave like this clown has done. Then there are those that just accept they got caught and put their hand up.
Richard
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Postby sogood » Wed Sep 05, 2007 2:27 pm
1) If it's synthetic.tallywhacker wrote:all the reports I read talked about "2 banned substances". How can you ban a substance that occurrs naturally in your body ?
2) If it's in unnatural concentration.
3) If it's unphysiological.
RK wrote:And that is Wikipedia - I can write my own definition.
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