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Postby Wazza » Fri Jan 15, 2010 2:19 pm
I am in the middle of acquiring this 653 Reynolds road frame from Amrjon
I have found and talked to the original owner (John Groom - Groman Plumbing Woollongong) and he tells me the Geoff Scott built a couple of frames for him in the mid 80s. Geoff Scott at the time had his own business and produced 'Gefsco' frames however the business was not successful and he went and worked at Clarence St Cycles for a time. Does anyone know him, of him or has a frame with his decals on them. Any info would be most appreciative
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Postby lethoso » Fri Jan 15, 2010 8:20 pm
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Postby Wazza » Sat Jan 16, 2010 7:34 am
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Postby Wazza » Sat Jan 16, 2010 7:38 am
Notice my avatar, I seem to have an attraction for the 80s colour schemes. The trick will be to find a shop that can still do the 'fade/blend' paint job. Mark at Bikeworx,Sandgate gave me a card of a custom motor bike shop who may be able to help out. Any help in this regard would be appreciated.lethoso wrote:damn, pretty jealous of that paint job
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Postby toff » Sat Jan 16, 2010 5:36 pm
There were some awesome paint schemes of oversprayed paint during the Geoff Scott era. Google image "Clamont" frames and you'll see plenty. I have a Clamont I bought in 1990 from Clarence Street Cyclery which has a similar paint scheme to the new Wazza bike, but in red and yellow.
The best paint scheme I recall seeing was the Geoff Scott Vinnacombe track bike in world champion (rainbow) colours, that used to be on display at Clarence Street Cyclery. The only pic I can find of it is this one:
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Postby kevinwulf » Sat Jan 16, 2010 10:53 pm
Can I request that someone (OP or moderators) change the "Jeff" in the title to "Geoff" for future searchers? Thanks.
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Postby Wazza » Sun Jan 17, 2010 8:42 am
Donekevinwulf wrote:Nice bikes!!
Can I request that someone (OP or moderators) change the "Jeff" in the title to "Geoff" for future searchers? Thanks.
John,john symonds wrote:i may have some stickers in the garage geoff scott stickers were better than geofsco
If you have some stickers you wish to sell then please let me know Meanwhile I'll try Cyclomondo for some period GS/Clamont stickers
Venting holestoff wrote:.... placement of the venting holes as the work of Geoff Scott.
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Postby toff » Sun Jan 17, 2010 12:40 pm
When building a bike, the brazing process can potentially damage (or at least weaken) the tubing, due to the high temperatures involved. Overheating steel tubing can make it harder, and therefore more brittle. This can increase the likelihood of fatigue related failure of the tubing at some point in the future.Wazza wrote:Venting holestoff wrote:.... placement of the venting holes as the work of Geoff Scott.
To de-localize the heat, framebuilders drill small holes at key positions on the frame. They are most commonly seen on the seatstays, near the dropouts, as this is a common fatigue point. The holes allow hot gases created whilst brazing to escape. The holes also allow the molten brass (or silver compound) to flow more readily into the joint.
Holes are usually about 1mm in diameter. There is probably a more correct name for them, but I use the term venting holes. Since the holes are usually found at the bottom of the forks, and the bottom of the seatstays, people sometimes assume that they are water drainage holes, which they are not. On my Geoff Scott track bike I have venting holes near the brake bridge...
Jonbays, I didn't think Geoff Scott made the production range of Clamonts. If yours has a "Hand built by Geoff Scott" sticker on it, then clearly I'm wrong, but I thought he only made the high end "8" series and "Professional" frames. My Clamont is a mid-range "5-something". Will need to dig it out and see if I have a sticker myself...
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Postby jonbays » Sun Jan 17, 2010 2:24 pm
You are probably right the Clamont "two ten" is more the shop bike model and it doesn't have any stickers saying who it was built by or where it was built for that matter.toff wrote:Jonbays, I didn't think Geoff Scott made the production range of Clamonts. If yours has a "Hand built by Geoff Scott" sticker on it, then clearly I'm wrong, but I thought he only made the high end "8" series and "Professional" frames. My Clamont is a mid-range "5-something". Will need to dig it out and see if I have a sticker myself...Wazza wrote:Venting holestoff wrote:.... placement of the venting holes as the work of Geoff Scott.
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Postby Wazza » Mon Jan 18, 2010 1:45 pm
Roger,rogerrabbit wrote:I have a 1991 Clement Professional custom built by Geoff Scott for me. There is a set of photos at http://www.flickr.com/photos/rogerrabbit1964/. Apart from the missing small "professional" decals on the top tube, removed due to one being damaged, the decals and paint are original.
Those lugs are fantastic
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Postby Mark Kelly » Mon Jan 18, 2010 11:04 pm
Just a minor technical note: the vent holes are not there to reduce the heating of the tubing, they are there to prevent the pressure built up by the thermal expansion of gas in a closed tube blowing the brazing material (or weld pool) out of the joint. If you've ever tried to weld up an entirely closed tube you'll know what I mean - just as you think you've got it you either get a blowout as the hot gas escapes or a suck in as the formerly hot gas cools down. If you put a small hole in the tube, you can close the main welds / brazed joints without this occuring. Sealing up the vent hole is far less problematic becasue it's so small the job is done before there's any real pressure built up.toff wrote: When building a bike, the brazing process can potentially damage (or at least weaken) the tubing, due to the high temperatures involved. Overheating steel tubing can make it harder, and therefore more brittle. This can increase the likelihood of fatigue related failure of the tubing at some point in the future.
To de-localize the heat, framebuilders drill small holes at key positions on the frame. They are most commonly seen on the seatstays, near the dropouts, as this is a common fatigue point. The holes allow hot gases created whilst brazing to escape. The holes also allow the molten brass (or silver compound) to flow more readily into the joint.
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Postby darkhorse75 » Mon Feb 15, 2010 4:40 pm
Doesnt have any tubing decals but has Columbus dropouts and some very nice lugs. Stoked I am.
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Postby xtiansen » Wed Apr 07, 2010 5:10 pm
http://picasaweb.google.com.au/xtiansen ... 5699777362
http://picasaweb.google.com.au/xtiansen ... 3514162610
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Postby Uncle Grumpy » Thu Apr 08, 2010 11:22 pm
If you want Clamont and Gefsco decals, try Clarence Street Cyclery (Sydney). When I was restoring my Clamont about 18 months ago, I asked at the workshop (downstairs in the basement) if they had any decals and they handed me three plastic tubs full of the things to search through. I scored a couple of sets for myself (and one for a mate's Clamont I was painting at the time) and they even had some of the "Geoff Scott Master Frame Builder" stickers.
I think the whole lot cost me about $20.
Hope that helps!
My first road bike was a Clamont Six Twelve. Tange 900 tubing and a mix of Sakae and Weinmann components. Despite not being high end, I wished I'd kept it.
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Postby macyk » Mon May 24, 2010 4:31 am
Here is what I know about him. He was an incredibly generous man with amazing talent when it came to building bike frames. I'm from Canada, and was visiting/traveling Australia that year, and was fortunate enough to have got a job at CSC working for the owner Tony. Kevin Pascoe was the manager. I actually have photos of Geoff in the front entrance way of CSC with an assortment of his custom made frames hanging above him, along with some other odds and ends.
Geoff, his wife and daughter were extremely kind by inviting me down to their home, just south of Sydney, where I hung out for a couple of days and got to see Geoff's workshop where he built and painted all his frames. They had 3 cats and 3 dogs at the time, all with interesting names, some not appropriate to post. Geoff let my borrow his car for 4 months to tour around Australia. Man was he generous! I have photos of that car too.
Geoff built most if not all of the Australian team bikes back in the 80's and a few into the 90's. Very talented! I was the lucky guy who got to test ride the first mountain bike frame Geoff ever made. The geometry was very relaxed and not a great ride, but no one had really dialled in what the best angles were back then.
I could go on, but that's enough for now. Suffice it to say, I have a tonne of great memories from that trip and it was people like Geoff that made it so.
Cheers to all Aussies!!
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Postby damhooligan » Mon May 24, 2010 4:47 pm
Are you serious?Wazza wrote:Notice my avatar, I seem to have an attraction for the 80s colour schemes. The trick will be to find a shop that can still do the 'fade/blend' paint job. Mark at Bikeworx,Sandgate gave me a card of a custom motor bike shop who may be able to help out. Any help in this regard would be appreciated.lethoso wrote:damn, pretty jealous of that paint job
Waz
You like that sort of paintjob
personally i think it's an eyesore*, but each his own .
*the colors i mean , the frame is beatifull.
SCHIJNVEILIGHEID !!
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Postby xtiansen » Wed May 26, 2010 3:43 pm
See photo at:
http://picasaweb.google.com.au/xtiansen ... 4131532162
(Previous two pics in the album are pre-restoration)
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Postby singlespeedscott » Wed May 26, 2010 9:21 pm
G'day Bob. I have a couple of frames I would like Joe to restore, A "Berretto" and an "Abeni" but cannot find any contact details. Is there a web link or a number I could use?xtiansen wrote:Wazza - Just had my 1992 Geoff Scott Professional restored and re-painted by Joe Cosgrove in Brisbane. He did a brilliant job with "80s color scheme". This is the same paint scheme as on the Aussie LA Olympics frames, made by Geoff Scott (see my earlier post on this topic).
See photo at:
http://picasaweb.google.com.au/xtiansen ... 4131532162
(Previous two pics in the album are pre-restoration)
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Postby Zynster » Thu May 27, 2010 11:45 am
Joe Cosgrove 07 3275 1442singlespeedscott wrote: G'day Bob. I have a couple of frames I would like Joe to restore, A "Berretto" and an "Abeni" but cannot find any contact details. Is there a web link or a number I could use?
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