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TT position
Postby philip » Wed Jan 27, 2010 6:23 pm
This one makes me look like I'm a giant on a small bike but I'm pretty sure it's just the photo:
Front view:
From looking at pro TT positions, their backs are a lot more horizontal than mine. My knees are very close to hitting my elbows, they probably would if I had the elbow pads any narrower. From what I can tell my bike has a pretty relaxed geometry (I've already flipped the stem and removed all the spaces) so this may explain it.
Also I'm a bit wary of using them during when behind my partner as I then don't have my hands on the brakes so may swap to drops when I'm drafting.
Anyone done a 2up TT before? Got any tips? We're thinking of starting off by taking turns of 2-3 minutes and then see how we're both feeling.
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Re: TT position
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Postby philip » Wed Jan 27, 2010 7:28 pm
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Re: TT position
Postby toolonglegs » Wed Jan 27, 2010 7:38 pm
I wouldn't bother changing position too much for a one off....I did the same as you and just ran clip-ons for a TTT.They made a huge difference in my average speeds.
I also think the fact that even in races I spend a lot of time holding onto my cables with my forearms on the tops helped.My problem was that I could push so hard in that position and hold it for so long that I over did it and pulled something in my hip joint...they came off after that!.
Took me two good rides to get used to them...especially cornering in them and learning to stay tucked in when behind.
Here is my post on it... viewtopic.php?f=43&t=19187&start=50
The fact that no one could hold my wheel was down to one guy snapping a spoke in the first 400m and dropping out...and another guy having a brain hemorage the day after (seriously)...and that I seemed to be invisible that day for some reason.
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Re: TT position
Postby Ant. » Wed Jan 27, 2010 7:56 pm
Apart from that, it probably looks like the same body profile position you have in the drops, so stick with it.
Go practice. Stay on your aerobars when behind him, because the neat thing is, the front man must get off aerobars in order to brake, so when they sit up, you can think 'uh oh', and sit up yourself and ready for anything.
Pairs TTing is fun! Good luck.
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Re: TT position
Postby Ant. » Wed Jan 27, 2010 8:01 pm
This is me on my road bike...maybe you don't need clipon aerobars after all to look slippery!
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Re: TT position
Postby philip » Wed Jan 27, 2010 8:04 pm
Thanks for the input guys - yep I think you're right Ant, I will point them up a bit more. I will have to see about putting them inwards a bit though, at the moment my computer is taking up all the space so can't do it without removing that which is a bit of a pain, I'd quite like to keep it on for timing.
Thanks TLL for the link to your thread, interesting. There was one article about TT fit that I read on the net that said elbow angle should be 90-110° and my arms looked to be more than that, though your position looks similar to mine. I will have to go out this weekend to give them a proper go, I think moving the forearm pads inwards a bit might help. It was really strange to put my hands back on the hoods after riding around for only 5 minutes in the car park, they felt ridiculously wide!
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Re: TT position
Postby mikesbytes » Wed Jan 27, 2010 8:45 pm
Can you borrow any stems, perhaps you can get your hands on a 12deg stem to get a bit lower again, also if its shorter, you might find it a bit more comfortable on your arms.
Leave the clip-ons on your bike, so you can have a bit of a practice before the TT, as the ride position is a little different and your muscles will need to adjust a little to this.
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Re: TT position
Postby twizzle » Wed Jan 27, 2010 8:57 pm
...real cyclists don't have squeaky chains...
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Re: TT position
Postby philip » Wed Jan 27, 2010 9:20 pm
I don't think I can get it any lower - I have already removed 3 spacers (haven't got it cut yet):mikesbytes wrote:You have a spacer under the handlebars, so you can get a tad lower without any cost.
I'm not sure what angle stem that is, I will look into it and see if I can get one that drops lower, but I'm not sure it's going to make that much of a difference so will probably make do with how it's setup for now
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Re: TT position
Postby mikesbytes » Wed Jan 27, 2010 10:05 pm
Where did you get your clip-ons? How much did they cost?
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Re: TT position
Postby Kev365428 » Thu Jan 28, 2010 6:37 am
Kev.
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Re: TT position
Postby philip » Thu Jan 28, 2010 8:18 am
I got them from ebay, I was really lucky as there was a local seller selling the ones I wanted and I got them for a decent price. I got them for $150. Profile T2+ Cobra is the model I got. Wiggle have the same bars but the alloy version for ~$140, only a few grams heavier as far as I could tell. Compared to other bars these are very adjustable and sturdy.mikesbytes wrote:Where did you get your clip-ons? How much did they cost?
Yeah I'll take this advice, thanks - I'm only going to get a handful of rides in with the aero bars before the 7th.toolonglegs wrote:I wouldn't try going to low unless you have time to train in that new position...and get used to it.A couple of weeks at least.You will notice a huge difference just by using the clip ons.
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Re: TT position
Postby Sweeper59 » Thu Jan 28, 2010 2:28 pm
Nobody looks back on their life....and remembers the nights they got plenty of sleep !!
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Re: TT position
Postby Ant. » Thu Jan 28, 2010 8:38 pm
Really? I think his position is quite ordinary even when compared to Cancellara/Wiggins/Cam Meyer, let alone Zabriskie/Leipheimer.Sweeper59 wrote:I don't know if you've read Cadel's recent book, but he states a number of times that 15 years of yoga has allowed him to get into a more aerodynamic TT position than most of his competition.
But I don't have wind tunnel eyes.
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Re: TT position
Postby twizzle » Thu Jan 28, 2010 9:33 pm
...real cyclists don't have squeaky chains...
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Re: TT position
Postby twizzle » Thu Jan 28, 2010 9:33 pm
I think it was his road bike, not his TT bike, that had the extreme position.Ant. wrote:Really? I think his position is quite ordinary even when compared to Cancellara/Wiggins/Cam Meyer, let alone Zabriskie/Leipheimer.Sweeper59 wrote:I don't know if you've read Cadel's recent book, but he states a number of times that 15 years of yoga has allowed him to get into a more aerodynamic TT position than most of his competition.
But I don't have wind tunnel eyes.
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Re: TT position
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Re: TT position
Postby mikesbytes » Thu Jan 28, 2010 10:18 pm
Philip, is there anything you can inexpensively do to get your torso a little lower?
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Re: TT position
Postby twizzle » Thu Jan 28, 2010 10:36 pm
Holy crap - that's low!toolonglegs wrote:No it was his TT bike...they had to cut a hole in the head tube and mount the stem between the top and bottom bearings.
Boonen would like that bike, perfect position for sniffing the white lines.
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Re: TT position
Postby twizzle » Thu Jan 28, 2010 10:36 pm
Holy crap - that's low!toolonglegs wrote:No it was his TT bike...they had to cut a hole in the head tube and mount the stem between the top and bottom bearings.
Boonen would like that bike, perfect position for sniffing the white lines.
...real cyclists don't have squeaky chains...
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