Commuting Etiquette
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Commuting Etiquette
Postby 2wheels » Thu Mar 18, 2010 8:55 pm
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Re: Commuting Etiquette
Postby il padrone » Thu Mar 18, 2010 9:36 pm
"An unjustified and unethical imposition on a healthy activity."
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Re: Commuting Etiquette
Postby rearviewmirror » Thu Mar 18, 2010 9:56 pm
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Not sure about people racing on the commute, I see some folks try to give it a go up hills or on long sections into headwinds, it's fun to keep pace once in a while. I've decided I don't mind someone riding my wheel on normal days, but on days when I'm tired and there is a 40km headwind, I really find it annoying.
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Re: Commuting Etiquette
Postby roller » Fri Mar 19, 2010 8:49 am
+10il padrone wrote:The guy is a guaranteed pratt!
what a squeezer
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Re: Commuting Etiquette
Postby franjae » Fri Mar 19, 2010 1:08 pm
With a strong headwind, I doubt I'll get any advantage being behind somebody. Too hard to measure, so how would one know? Besides, I have to put up with their BO, so is that an advantage??
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Re: Commuting Etiquette
Postby m@ » Fri Mar 19, 2010 5:08 pm
But... jumping on someone's wheel without asking if they mind you drafting is pretty poor form as well IMO. Adequately discussed in the thread rearviewmirror linked so no need to repeat the debate here but suffice to say that what you said below is exactly how I feel about people who jump on my wheel when I'm commuting...
2wheels wrote:Why don't they just take out a racing license and race in controlled environments rather than doing it on the road at peak hour? If you ride competitively (on weekends or otherwise), do you still feel the need to race during your commute, taking chances through traffic? I certainly don't.
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Re: Commuting Etiquette
Postby looklost » Fri Mar 19, 2010 5:23 pm
il padrone wrote:The guy is a guaranteed pratt!
+10 but wrong end
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Re: Commuting Etiquette
Postby Aushiker » Sat Mar 20, 2010 12:10 am
Hirearviewmirror wrote:Not sure about people racing on the commute, I see some folks try to give it a go up hills or on long sections into headwinds, it's fun to keep pace once in a while. I've decided I don't mind someone riding my wheel on normal days, but on days when I'm tired and there is a 40km headwind, I really find it annoying.
That is pretty much how I feel too.
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Re: Commuting Etiquette
Postby 2wheels » Sat Mar 20, 2010 8:36 am
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Re: Commuting Etiquette
Postby 318ute » Sat Mar 20, 2010 8:47 am
What or where are the rules laid down for how we should all cycle on public roads?
Other road users have a set of rules we are supposed to ride to, but that is often blurred by how we are treated by other road users including other cyclists?
To get onto the roads behind the wheel of a motor vehicle we have to pass a test & I know we could argue the merits and outcomes of that process but what of a cyclist?
Go to the shop or wherever, buy a bike and off you go, no idea of rules, courtesy, ettiquette or consideration for anyone else..
In the cycling ranks there are as we are all aware the sub groups, commuters, racers, fixie's, couriers, mtb's, ninja's etc etc etc and it appears all ride to the beat of an individual drum.
Not having a go or trying to cause a drama, I have been reading this forum as my source forum and note as cyclists we seem to have issues, or is it just a reflection of where society is at today?
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Re: Commuting Etiquette
Postby m@ » Sat Mar 20, 2010 9:01 am
Without getting too philosophical, I'd say it's a reflection of human society full stop... Nothing special about us in that respect318ute wrote: Not having a go or trying to cause a drama, I have been reading this forum as my source forum and note as cyclists we seem to issues, or is it just a reflection of where society is at today?
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Re: Commuting Etiquette
Postby 318ute » Sat Mar 20, 2010 9:22 am
I think it is the society today and not sure if this is the right or wrong approach but I just try to treat others as I hope to be treated including how I ride.
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Re: Commuting Etiquette
Postby Aushiker » Sat Mar 20, 2010 11:12 am
Hi318ute wrote:What or where are the rules laid down for how we should all cycle on public roads?
Well in WA they are called the Road Traffic Code 2000 which are regulations and the overriding body of the legislation is called the Road Traffic Act 1974. Same source of legislation/regulations as applying to all users of public roads.
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Re: Commuting Etiquette
Postby 318ute » Sat Mar 20, 2010 12:13 pm
Yes I think most of us are aware of the road rules in some shape or form and I accept we all seem to have minor differences in each state.
I guess I am looking at the issues raised on the forum e.g. tailgating(drafting), overtaking, slowing down passing peds, passing on the right handside only, bell or voice warning etc etc...
From the last 18months-2years on and off commuting, it appears a little like a free for all.
On this forum I have read discussions about riding through red lights, claiming the lane at intersections and roundabouts etc, overtaking, passing peds, pulling etc etc and the diversity of opinion is to say the least very confussing.
Even something like riding up to a set of lights, I note the varied positioning of cyclists, some stay behind a car, others pull up to the front or sit between cars.
Just wondering if there is a Newbies Guide to Cycling on the Roads and the merits of such a guide as this forum clearly displays differring opinion between the cycling fraternity .
My personal approach is to follow the roads rules to the best of my knowledge, keep left but by the same token be seen and take the lane if there are parked cars or I am entering an intersection/roundabout.
Also I simply avoid some roads at certain times because it's simply tempting fate.
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Re: Commuting Etiquette
Postby 2wheels » Sat Mar 20, 2010 7:33 pm
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Re: Commuting Etiquette
Postby mikesbytes » Sat Mar 20, 2010 9:41 pm
If I wanted the wheel sucker to do some work, I'd simply pull out and let him/her overtake me.
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Re: Commuting Etiquette
Postby 2wheels » Sat Mar 20, 2010 10:19 pm
This is very similar to my approach - if I know someone is sitting on my wheel and I'm tired of keeping pace, I pull over. There really should be some sort of hand signal for this, so that we avoid unintended racing challenges.mikesbytes wrote:I don't get concerned about someone else sucking my wheel, unless I think they are trying to race me. After all I'm pretty much getting the same workout, its the person sucking my wheel who isn't getting the same workout.
If I wanted the wheel sucker to do some work, I'd simply pull out and let him/her overtake me.
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Re: Commuting Etiquette
Postby alexander » Tue Apr 20, 2010 3:32 pm
In a strong headwind over a decent distance, you should discuss with the fellow riders if you can to help each other, common sense really.
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Re: Commuting Etiquette
Postby mianos » Tue Apr 20, 2010 4:15 pm
For me:
What does it matter? Someone hanging off the back does not slow you down. Technically it offers you a small advantage. As hard to believe as it is, the front rider gets a small speed break because you have a combined longer aerodynamic body.
If I get tired on the front I sometimes ask the other guy if he wants a go. If not I just slow a little as I would if I was riding by myself.
If Mr Jackass, I am assuming that's his name from the photo posted above, does not like it he can always put the pedals down and ride away off the front.
If I am out riding by myself I can go as slow or fast as I like.
When I am in Europe and some pro comes thundering past I just try and hang on. I'd be daft if I thought I could even take a turn without slowing him. I'd also be a PIA if I did try and go up front and slow him down.
When some guy wants to have a go on the front after a while at the back and he's too slow, I just ride around him and keep on going, that's about the only reason I might upset someone in that situation.
The only 100% rule is:
Try to be polite.
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Re: Commuting Etiquette
Postby jules21 » Thu Apr 22, 2010 9:19 am
i commute on my MTB, but i like to give it a go in the interests of maintaining fitness levels. i rarely draft, but often i overtake road riders who are cruising a bit but who don't seem to like being overtaken by an MTB rider. what drives me nuts is when they sprint back past, then commence cruising again.
honestly, could you a bigger knob? it's amazing the number of people who do this.
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Re: Commuting Etiquette
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Re: Commuting Etiquette
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Re: Commuting Etiquette
Postby alexander » Thu Apr 22, 2010 10:36 am
yeah I've seen this happen, a RB gets over taken by an MTB, and then the person on the RB reacts because no-one on a MTB can go faster than RB, so they clunk down a gear, and do exactly what jules described. Very weird behavior.jules21 wrote:i have the opposite problem.
i commute on my MTB, but i like to give it a go in the interests of maintaining fitness levels. i rarely draft, but often i overtake road riders who are cruising a bit but who don't seem to like being overtaken by an MTB rider. what drives me nuts is when they sprint back past, then commence cruising again.
honestly, could you a bigger knob? it's amazing the number of people who do this.
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Re: Commuting Etiquette
Postby Aushiker » Thu Apr 22, 2010 10:40 am
Hijules21 wrote:i have the opposite problem.
i commute on my MTB, but i like to give it a go in the interests of maintaining fitness levels. i rarely draft, but often i overtake road riders who are cruising a bit but who don't seem to like being overtaken by an MTB rider. what drives me nuts is when they sprint back past, then commence cruising again.
honestly, could you a bigger knob? it's amazing the number of people who do this.
I have the opposite problem ... knobs on MTB who think they can out ride me on a roadie and who sprint past and then bonk ... give it a break guys
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Re: Commuting Etiquette
Postby damonik » Thu Apr 22, 2010 10:47 am
Works well for me, gives me a couple of minutes of frantic smashing of the pedals, helps my fitness and that's why we ride right?
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