Hill climbing simulation on flats - possible?
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Hill climbing simulation on flats - possible?
Postby one_damo » Wed Jul 28, 2010 12:44 pm
Wondering if you can give some advice - I'm about to sign up for the Fitz Challenge (http://www.ocf-fitz.com/) in October later this year and as I'm looking at the 160km ride, I'm more and more thinking about the late preparation I can do to help cope (a little bit at least) with the 2300m of climbing.
Unfortunately it's relatively flat in Sydney, so just a thought: Is it a good idea to simulate hills by throwing it in one of the top 3 gears and grinding along at 60-80rpm for regular intervals? Is this at all beneficial for hill climbing even to help the quads adjust to putting more power down? This would probably mash the knees up good and proper I'm guessing.. I guess the other option would be to do repeats of the more common 1 and 2km hills in Sydney?
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Re: Hill climbing simulation on flats - possible?
Postby goneriding » Wed Jul 28, 2010 2:56 pm
The thing your body needs to get used to is settling into a rhythm when climbing. If it doesn't climbing won't be fun like it should be
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Re: Hill climbing simulation on flats - possible?
Postby toolonglegs » Wed Jul 28, 2010 3:58 pm
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Re: Hill climbing simulation on flats - possible?
Postby JV911 » Wed Jul 28, 2010 4:37 pm
hill repeats at akuna* or bobbin head!one_damo wrote:Location: Epping, Sydney
*there is a TT on this sunday if you're keen
a man after my own heartgoneriding wrote:climbing won't be fun like it should be
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Re: Hill climbing simulation on flats - possible?
Postby philip » Wed Jul 28, 2010 5:36 pm
It's on the 8th August, not this Sunday, according to the mwcc site - are you doing it? I'm "thinking" about itJV911 wrote:hill repeats at akuna*
*there is a TT on this sunday if you're keen
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Re: Hill climbing simulation on flats - possible?
Postby one_damo » Wed Jul 28, 2010 6:17 pm
Any comments RE: high geared mashing on the flats? Or should I forget that idea?
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Re: Hill climbing simulation on flats - possible?
Postby Chuck » Thu Jul 29, 2010 1:56 am
toolonglegs wrote:4km long hills...great for 10 minute efforts...
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Re: Hill climbing simulation on flats - possible?
Postby toolonglegs » Thu Jul 29, 2010 5:11 am
Chuck wrote:toolonglegs wrote:4km long hills...great for 10 minute efforts...
Bobbin Head Sth 4km.... 8m38secs
Brooklyn to Pie in the Sky 3.95km... 8m21secs
Akuna West 5.2km... 11m18secs
McCarrs 4.2km... 10m26secs
Obviously depends who you are ...they aren't my times btw!...McCarrs seems a bit slow thou,I can nearly get to 11m45secs.
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Re: Hill climbing simulation on flats - possible?
Postby JV911 » Thu Jul 29, 2010 8:50 am
bugger i though it was this week - first i was looking forward to the enduro at WSID but either i got my dates wrong or that's been canned in favour of landsdown crit and now thisphilip wrote:It's on the 8th August, not this Sunday, according to the mwcc site - are you doing it? I'm "thinking" about itJV911 wrote:hill repeats at akuna*
*there is a TT on this sunday if you're keen
what's this "thinking" business phil?
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Re: Hill climbing simulation on flats - possible?
Postby philip » Thu Jul 29, 2010 3:29 pm
I waiting to be convincedJV911 wrote:what's this "thinking" business phil?
My thinking is that for a hillclimb TT, only good hillclimbers are going to participate in the first place, and I do ok in the hills but I'm definitely not the fastest! I guess it's good for interests sake, but then again I could just go and time myself up there without paying $10!
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Re: Hill climbing simulation on flats - possible?
Postby philip » Fri Jul 30, 2010 9:41 am
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Re: Hill climbing simulation on flats - possible?
Postby goneriding » Fri Jul 30, 2010 5:01 pm
If you have a static trainer you can put the front wheel up on a couple of books and do it that way.
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Re: Hill climbing simulation on flats - possible?
Postby Robdog » Mon Aug 02, 2010 6:57 pm
I don't understand how that helps your body become better at climbing hillsgoneriding wrote:If you have a static trainer you can put the front wheel up on a couple of books and do it that way.
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Re: Hill climbing simulation on flats - possible?
Postby Alex Simmons/RST » Mon Aug 02, 2010 7:04 pm
and with good reason, it won't.Robdog wrote:I don't understand how that helps your body become better at climbing hillsgoneriding wrote:If you have a static trainer you can put the front wheel up on a couple of books and do it that way.
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Re: Hill climbing simulation on flats - possible?
Postby goneriding » Tue Aug 03, 2010 11:50 am
I stand corrected! That said, would putting the front wheel up help in finding the right climbing position?Alex Simmons/RST wrote:and with good reason, it won't.
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Re: Hill climbing simulation on flats - possible?
Postby silkishuge » Tue Aug 03, 2010 12:09 pm
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Re: Hill climbing simulation on flats - possible?
Postby brentono » Tue Aug 03, 2010 12:43 pm
Today's "Classic Statement" (and it doesn't come from C.T.)goneriding wrote:
If you have a static trainer you can put the front wheel up on a couple of books and do it that way.
(now got to go clean all the coffee over the computer)
Thanks for that, always need a laugh.
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Re: Hill climbing simulation on flats - possible?
Postby JV911 » Tue Aug 03, 2010 1:11 pm
not in itself. i think it's a positioning thing, which combined with some big gear work "simulates" a hill...at least that's what coach troy reckon on spinervalsAlex Simmons/RST wrote:and with good reason, it won't.Robdog wrote:I don't understand how that helps your body become better at climbing hillsgoneriding wrote:If you have a static trainer you can put the front wheel up on a couple of books and do it that way.
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Re: Hill climbing simulation on flats - possible?
Postby silkishuge » Wed Aug 04, 2010 8:24 am
You might be on to something there. I am not sure if the change in the position of the body will result in different muscles working at different intensity when compared against riding in the flats.JV911 wrote:If you have a static trainer you can put the front wheel up on a couple of books and do it that way.
I don't understand how that helps your body become better at climbing hills
and with good reason, it won't.
not in itself. i think it's a positioning thing, which combined with some big gear work "simulates" a hill...at least that's what coach troy reckon on spinervals
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Re: Hill climbing simulation on flats - possible?
Postby brentono » Wed Aug 04, 2010 10:31 am
and ride at that angle, the position of the body will result in different muscles
working at different intensity, and I can simulate riding around the Track (Velodrome)
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Re: Hill climbing simulation on flats - possible?
Postby human909 » Wed Aug 04, 2010 5:10 pm
Alex Simmons/RST wrote:and with good reason, it won't.Robdog wrote:I don't understand how that helps your body become better at climbing hillsgoneriding wrote:If you have a static trainer you can put the front wheel up on a couple of books and do it that way.
The best piece of advice in the entire thread an you guys think its a joke!brentono wrote:Today's "Classic Statement" (and it doesn't come from C.T.)
(now got to go clean all the coffee over the computer)
Thanks for that, always need a laugh.
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What do you think makes hills hard? They aren't magical. There are two aspects that make hill climbing difficult.
One is running out of gears and being forced to pedal at a lower cadence.
The other is the change in body angle.
The first one can be removed by having some sensible gearing. The second you want to train for to build up core strength. Putting the front of static trainer on some books is great and exactly how you would train for hills on a static trainer.
No because the whole point of banking is that you should be riding at a speed where your bike is actually perpedicular to the banked surface thus it is equivalent to riding on a flat surface. Thus banking should put you body into a MORE neutral position.brentono wrote:So (coach troy) if I stick my static trainer (rollers) at a 45 degree (sideways), along my wall,
and ride at that angle, the position of the body will result in different muscles
working at different intensity, and I can simulate riding around the Track (Velodrome)
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Re: Hill climbing simulation on flats - possible?
Postby toolonglegs » Wed Aug 04, 2010 5:31 pm
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Re: Hill climbing simulation on flats - possible?
Postby human909 » Wed Aug 04, 2010 5:40 pm
No. The gravity aspect just makes it harder to maintain the same speed.toolonglegs wrote:And heres me thinking climbing hills was hard because of gravity...seems I just need to adjust my bars a bit.
With appropriate gearing then you can continue the same power output and the same cadence and the only thing that makes it difficult is the changing body angle.
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Re: Hill climbing simulation on flats - possible?
Postby brentono » Thu Aug 05, 2010 10:53 am
So as gravity has no effect on hills.human909 wrote:No because the whole point of banking is that you should be riding at a speed where your bike is actually perpedicular to the banked surface thus it is equivalent to riding on a flat surface. Thus banking should put you body into a MORE neutral position.brentono wrote:So (coach troy) if I stick my static trainer (rollers) at a 45 degree (sideways), along my wall,
and ride at that angle, the position of the body will result in different muscles
working at different intensity, and I can simulate riding around the Track (Velodrome)
Then Centrifugal force must have no effect also, and the banking should put my body into a MORE neutral position,
equivalent to riding on a flat surface... that's what you are saying, correct.
So what body position am I in, on the straights, when the surface is almost level?
Does my position, vary.
(Is that you "coach troy")
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