Doored again, 1metre – is not enough
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Doored again, 1metre – is not enough
Postby ft_critical » Wed Nov 24, 2010 9:40 am
I was doing a filter in an on-road bike lane which provided 1metre of space between the parked cars and the line of traffic slowly moving away from a crossing. I always slow right down, I was doing probably 20kmh. I looked in the mirrors of parked cars and at the drivers seats for occupants, but I must have missed him.
The driver had opened the door to the first stop. In this circumstance I probably would have been fine regardless of the timing. Second stop on his door and I would have been in the traffic.
So I was in a bike lane, he was at fault. But this is not the point of the post. I have some observations:
1. In general, filtering is a bad idea. Because the traffic was slowly moving away from a stop, drivers assume it is all clear to open there doors. If the traffic is moving, then they are more inclined to look before opening.
2. Filtering is a bad idea. You can’t actually ride at one metre when filtering. You can at best probably ride 80cm from the parked cars. When you ride in moving traffic you can sit just over that white line indicating the bike lane, so you are at 1.2 or 1.5m. This will save your life.
Now I know all this, so was the driver really at fault? Yes, but I was too. And I was more at fault because I should take better care of my own life. With that in mind when I went back to explain his responsibilities I was pretty friendly. Strangely, among his apologies, he informed me that he had been doored as a boy. I have grey paint on my skewer – this is why the handle is curved I guess and a good reason to run them forward facing as I do.
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Re: Doored again, 1metre – is not enough
Postby Nate » Wed Nov 24, 2010 9:48 am
Glad you're OK & not too banged up.ft_critical wrote:so was the driver really at fault? Yes, but I was too. And I was more at fault because I should take better care of my own life.
ummm i wouldnt say its your own fault at all, you did everything you could - slowed down, looked for drivers...
he did... nothing.
The fact you're ok means it was purely through your actions that you're ok because you took the precautions - you're being a little hard on yourself.
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Re: Doored again, 1metre – is not enough
Postby sogood » Wed Nov 24, 2010 9:55 am
Even though most drivers open their car door with some care, but there are many who like to fling their door wide open. It's frigging scary. Give wide berth!
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Re: Doored again, 1metre – is not enough
Postby goneriding » Wed Nov 24, 2010 9:57 am
Glad to hear you are still upright!
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Re: Doored again, 1metre – is not enough
Postby russellgarrard » Wed Nov 24, 2010 10:04 am
Turns out the local newspaper took this advice and re-prints it when they can. Reason being is, that cyclist doing 30km/ph in the bicycle lane, by the time you've looked in the mirror, checked, hit the handle, opened the door they are already there.
Of course the obvious solution to solving dooring's is to get everyone to ride bicycle's....
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Re: Doored again, 1metre – is not enough
Postby im_no_pro » Wed Nov 24, 2010 10:08 am
Assuming the cyclist knows they are only popping the door instead of opening it. I have seen cyclists stain their knicks and swerve into traffic in this exact situation. Look then open IMO.bendertiger wrote:I actually tell motorists NOT to look before opening their doors, I tell them to 'pop' their door, so the door sits just outside the body of the car (think 5cm's or so). I tell them to THEN look in their mirror THEN if completely clear THEN open it.
Turns out the local newspaper took this advice and re-prints it when they can. Reason being is, that cyclist doing 30km/ph in the bicycle lane, by the time you've looked in the mirror, checked, hit the handle, opened the door they are already there.
Of course the obvious solution to solving dooring's is to get everyone to ride bicycle's....
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Re: Doored again, 1metre – is not enough
Postby Chanboy » Wed Nov 24, 2010 10:09 am
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Re: Doored again, 1metre – is not enough
Postby sogood » Wed Nov 24, 2010 10:19 am
Well, there's always a balance. Filtering when safe and legal, hang back when not.Chanboy wrote:It's that constant risk v's reward balance we take. Do I filter and save some time knowing that the risk of dooring is significant? or do I sit behind traffic in the middle of the lane - and take just as long to get to work as you would if you drove a car...
Whenever I drive through grid locked CBD, it really amazes me how many cyclists just aren't aware or are willingly taking risks. No sympathy there. Safety means acting to rule and acting to expectation. Surprising another road user may end up being a surprise on oneself.
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Re: Doored again, 1metre – is not enough
Postby human909 » Wed Nov 24, 2010 10:25 am
Yes I use bike lanes next to stopped traffic, no I do do it at max speed when the lane is narrow.
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Re: Doored again, 1metre – is not enough
Postby zero » Wed Nov 24, 2010 10:39 am
The only thing that can change realistically is that more cyclists will refuse to use doorzone bicycle lanes, or councils will start removing them when they start to become co-defendents in lawsuits. If I rode in bicycle lanes whenever they were marked, I'd have had more than one dooring accident by now.
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Re: Doored again, 1metre – is not enough
Postby human909 » Wed Nov 24, 2010 10:46 am
I disagree, at least to some extend.zero wrote:Doorzone bicycle lanes don't work, and people will never get better at not dooring bicycles. Opening a door is something people do when they've switched off mentally, and the bicycle lane is the furtherest part round the scan area - which is the least well scanned.
The only thing that can change realistically is that more cyclists will refuse to use doorzone bicycle lanes, or councils will start removing them when they start to become co-defendents in lawsuits. If I rode in bicycle lanes whenever they were marked, I'd have had more than one dooring accident by now.
I don't see many people losing doors to cars. I don't see door swing open in heavy flowing traffic. So it seems that people to think before opening their doors. They just don't think BIKE.
I agree that on road bike lanes aren't ideal but I don't think that they are useless. Big wide on road bike lanes are the best thing short of dedicated cycleways (which pretty much don't exist here) That said most bike lanes aren't wide enough.
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Re: Doored again, 1metre – is not enough
Postby zero » Wed Nov 24, 2010 11:02 am
In the same area, I've also seen someone fling a rear door to full extension without looking - had I been in the doorzone - I'd have struck it at 30. In that case the car had been parked for some time, and there was no front seat occupant.
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Re: Doored again, 1metre – is not enough
Postby Christine Tham » Wed Nov 24, 2010 11:04 am
Happens all the time. I've seen my fair share on busy multi lane roads. Sydney lanes are a lot narrower than Melbourne - if you park your car on the left lane and open the door without checking, you'll get swiped by a passing vehicle on the right lane. Doesn't stop people from doing it though.human909 wrote: I don't see many people losing doors to cars.
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Re: Doored again, 1metre – is not enough
Postby jet-ski » Wed Nov 24, 2010 12:49 pm
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Re: Doored again, 1metre – is not enough
Postby trailgumby » Wed Nov 24, 2010 12:54 pm
No, it isn't. It's using a designated lane. Doesn't make it safe, though.jet-ski wrote:Is it even really filtering when you are in your own lane?
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Re: Doored again, 1metre – is not enough
Postby Chanboy » Wed Nov 24, 2010 1:22 pm
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Re: Doored again, 1metre – is not enough
Postby sogood » Wed Nov 24, 2010 2:17 pm
+1. It's a habit that can't be eradicated through education alone.zero wrote:Doorzone bicycle lanes don't work, and people will never get better at not dooring bicycles.
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Re: Doored again, 1metre – is not enough
Postby mianos » Wed Nov 24, 2010 2:37 pm
Soon, when I see a door knocked off, now they moved the bike lane off the road and reduced the space between the lane and the door zone, I'm going to stop and take photos so I can enjoy the picture when I am reminded of the times I have been hit. It *will* happen. I have seen mirrors knocked twice in the last month.
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Re: Doored again, 1metre – is not enough
Postby il padrone » Wed Nov 24, 2010 6:42 pm
I know that not everyone's going to like riding a bike, so maybe some other solutions for the disabeld or lard-arsedbendertiger wrote:Of course the obvious solution to solving dooring's is to get everyone to ride bicycle's....
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Re: Doored again, 1metre – is not enough
Postby fatherofmany » Mon Dec 06, 2010 2:03 pm
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Re: Doored again, 1metre – is not enough
Postby jules21 » Mon Dec 06, 2010 10:42 pm
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Re: Doored again, 1metre – is not enough
Postby casual_cyclist » Tue Dec 07, 2010 12:37 am
I agree. It only takes one stupid (or inattentive) driver to ruin your ride.sogood wrote:Very good advice.
Even though most drivers open their car door with some care, but there are many who like to fling their door wide open. It's frigging scary. Give wide berth!
On the subject of bike lanes taking riders into door zones... that's pretty irresponsible of whoever built them like that.
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Re: Doored again, 1metre – is not enough
Postby casual_cyclist » Tue Dec 07, 2010 12:39 am
Mmm, that one is expensive to fix... such a shame!jules21 wrote:i only filter at speeds that will minimise the risk of injury if someone opens a door, when it's impractical to ride outside the door zone altogether. and don't blame me if you open your door and i stabilise myself by grabbing onto it as i go past, accidentally bending it back on its hinges
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