Cycle lights proposal in Sydney
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Cycle lights proposal in Sydney
Postby mianos » Wed Dec 22, 2010 8:02 am
Under a proposal from the powerful State Government StaySafe committee, cyclists would have their own green traffic signals to get a head start over vehicles - similar to lights currently in use for government buses.
It would be good to get a few more votes.
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Re: Cycle lights proposal in Sydney
Postby The Womble » Wed Dec 22, 2010 8:12 am
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Re: Cycle lights proposal in Sydney
Postby il padrone » Wed Dec 22, 2010 8:37 am
Nothing new about that oneSMH wrote:StaySafe also found road engineering was "biased towards the needs of motor vehicles and drivers" and recommended changes.
"An unjustified and unethical imposition on a healthy activity."
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Re: Cycle lights proposal in Sydney
Postby human909 » Wed Dec 22, 2010 9:07 am
My thoughts exactly Oxford.Oxford wrote:"Airbags to protect cyclists", how about just avoiding the whole collision to begin with by looking where they are piloting the 2 tonne of mass they have around them?
Also I'm not so sure how I feel about separate traffic lights for bikes. It seems an unnecessary expensive, wasted down time for traffic flow at an intersection (of all types). Melbourne has them in a few spots, I don't see the advantages personally.
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Re: Cycle lights proposal in Sydney
Postby Max » Wed Dec 22, 2010 9:38 am
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Re: Cycle lights proposal in Sydney
Postby hannos » Wed Dec 22, 2010 9:39 am
I don't really think cyclists need their own light sequence.
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Re: Cycle lights proposal in Sydney
Postby CommuRider » Wed Dec 22, 2010 11:20 am
Jeez, this city is full of whingers.
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Re: Cycle lights proposal in Sydney
Postby ghettro » Wed Dec 22, 2010 11:44 am
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Re: Cycle lights proposal in Sydney
Postby il padrone » Wed Dec 22, 2010 12:09 pm
Green Wave
Even 'bicycle-only' through roads
"An unjustified and unethical imposition on a healthy activity."
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Re: Cycle lights proposal in Sydney
Postby simonn » Wed Dec 22, 2010 12:41 pm
Really, you care that much what they think? Besides, it will not make any difference. The idiots who actually try and run people off the road etc are probably sociopaths anyway (no, I am not kidding) so cannot be appeased whatever you do. Other people might beep their horn etc, but, to paraphrase drubie, I take this as an opportunity to educate by extending my middle finger.CommuRider wrote:Happy to pay the $20 rego (hey that's my daily parking rate!) if it shuts up the clowns in the Daily Terror forum (fat chance of that happening).
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Re: Cycle lights proposal in Sydney
Postby CommuRider » Wed Dec 22, 2010 12:43 pm
If I did I'd be posting in that forum I'm just trying to place the Randwick Council proposed rego of $20 into context. Bondi daily parking rate is much more than that. My point is, $20 is a drop in the ocean in terms of rego. Commuting to city saves me on parking, fuel, time etc. If contributing an annual $20 rego means more improved cycling infrastructure etc then happy to pay that amount.simonn wrote: Really, you care that much what they think?
DT just encapsulates the bigoted yellow journalism in this country.
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Re: Cycle lights proposal in Sydney
Postby Nate » Wed Dec 22, 2010 1:38 pm
http://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/Prod/p ... our%29.pdf
EDIT:The Committee also recommends that separate signal phases for bicyclists at intersections, which stop all vehicular traffic while permitting cyclists to proceed through the intersection in designated directions, should be trialled where appropriate.
Preceding this was the call for Bike Boxes at traffic lights to stop cars from turning left over the top of cyclists, so it puts it in greater perspective that cyclists filter forward, park in the bike box & then go on their green.
Sorta what happens now, but just marked out.
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Re: Cycle lights proposal in Sydney
Postby mikesbytes » Wed Dec 22, 2010 2:15 pm
And if that's the case then he is trying to get ahead of the traffic so he doesn't get swashed. Though I don't know if the cycle path is finished.
So this picture is actually supporting the need for the 'cycle first' lights
However it is typical minority group bashing, where the actions of an individual are portrayed to represent the entire minority group.
A 30kph speed limit is badly needed in Sydney CBD, the number of pedestrians hit by cars is excessive. True in most cases it is the pedestrian venturing onto the roadway unsafely, but tell that to the kids who have lost a mother or father
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Re: Cycle lights proposal in Sydney
Postby Nate » Wed Dec 22, 2010 2:30 pm
sorry - but unless i see a red light - then he didnt cross on the red.mikesbytes wrote:So this picture is actually supporting the need for the 'cycle first' lights
Odd how the red light somehow didnt make it into the photo
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Re: Cycle lights proposal in Sydney
Postby fatherofmany » Wed Dec 22, 2010 3:02 pm
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Re: Cycle lights proposal in Sydney
Postby il padrone » Wed Dec 22, 2010 3:11 pm
Exactly! I reckon Melbourne CBD should have a 40 kmh, or even 30 kmh speed limit. Most people wouldn't notice any difference. But it would rein in the tossers who try the old 'drag race to the next red' trick.fatherofmany wrote:I drove into the city yesterday afternoon as EldestofMany had a performance at the Town Hall. I don't think I got over 30km/h after I left the Harbour Bridge anyway. What's the fuss?
"An unjustified and unethical imposition on a healthy activity."
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Re: Cycle lights proposal in Sydney
Postby sogood » Wed Dec 22, 2010 3:18 pm
I take that intersection on many mornings and there'll be at least one rider ignoring the red light through each light cycle during peak hours, without fail. And those riders often threaten and squeeze rule abiding pedestrians who are crossing the road. That's a reality.Nate wrote:sorry - but unless i see a red light - then he didnt cross on the red.mikesbytes wrote:So this picture is actually supporting the need for the 'cycle first' lights
RK wrote:And that is Wikipedia - I can write my own definition.
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Re: Cycle lights proposal in Sydney
Postby mikesbytes » Wed Dec 22, 2010 3:23 pm
Valid point, from where the photographer was standing, the light couldn't be seen. Could be that the traffic didn't turn right as the street was gridlocked and the cyclist was turning into the new cycleway.Nate wrote:sorry - but unless i see a red light - then he didnt cross on the red.mikesbytes wrote:So this picture is actually supporting the need for the 'cycle first' lights
Odd how the red light somehow didnt make it into the photo
However the caption is saying that the cyclist was bumping the red and unfortunately true or false, most readers will read "guilty until proven innocent"
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Re: Cycle lights proposal in Sydney
Postby itsaghostcar » Wed Dec 22, 2010 3:35 pm
From the looks of the photo, if he did go on the red, it's only the half a second before the that light actually went green ... the cars behind are already across the line and moving as well, so he couldn't have been that far ahead. Knowing that light phase, cars have just had finished turning right from Wentworth Ave onto Oxford St. By getting out in front of the cars into the intersection, you are well in view of all traffic, and can make it to the start of the College St cycleway before the cars start jostling for position in the drag down College St to Park St (2 lanes turns into one lane for those continuing straight along College St).sogood wrote:I take that intersection on many mornings and there'll be at least one rider ignoring the red light through each light cycle during peak hours, without fail. And those riders often threaten and squeeze rule abiding pedestrians who are crossing the road. That's a reality.
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Re: Cycle lights proposal in Sydney
Postby goodlookingcyclist » Wed Dec 22, 2010 4:15 pm
If...CommuRider wrote:If I did I'd be posting in that forum I'm just trying to place the Randwick Council proposed rego of $20 into context. Bondi daily parking rate is much more than that. My point is, $20 is a drop in the ocean in terms of rego. Commuting to city saves me on parking, fuel, time etc. If contributing an annual $20 rego means more improved cycling infrastructure etc then happy to pay that amount.simonn wrote: Really, you care that much what they think?
DT just encapsulates the bigoted yellow journalism in this country.
I doubt $20 wil make a positive difference, besides the fact that the system that handles the registration has to be funded I doubt that there is anything left at all of those 20.
And like someone said before, some just can't be appeased whatever you do, they wil say WHAT , only $20 that is way too low...
And before you know it the 20 wil be increased....
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Re: Cycle lights proposal in Sydney
Postby Nate » Wed Dec 22, 2010 4:19 pm
sogood wrote:I take that intersection on many mornings and there'll be at least one rider ignoring the red light through each light cycle during peak hours, without fail. And those riders often threaten and squeeze rule abiding pedestrians who are crossing the road. That's a reality.
Sorry sogood... as "valid" as your opinions are, they're opinions - and we have a HUGE go at people for asserting theirs as "facts" like the above.Harold Scruby wrote:''You only have to watch cyclists in the CBD to see the number of red lights they run but they are not being fined.''
(no having a go, but pointing out a little of our double standards)
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Re: Cycle lights proposal in Sydney
Postby zero » Wed Dec 22, 2010 4:42 pm
It encourages cyclists to move closely past drivers, and therefore makes drivers used to the idea the cyclists and cars should be interacting closely, when I'd really prefer it if they stayed the **** away from me, and I'm happy to do them the return favour of not re-blocking them after each intersection as a gift for that space.
If we have separate traffic cycles for cyclists, they should be there for cycle corridors to move.
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Re: Cycle lights proposal in Sydney
Postby CommuRider » Wed Dec 22, 2010 4:54 pm
The $20 is a furphy anyway - just another spurious argument from the irrational anti-cycling brigade. Our hospital system is already overcrowded with obese, diabetic (type 2) people who didn't get enough exercise. Cost-benefit argument is in favour of cyclists but people would rather side on irrationality. *sighs*goodlookingcyclist wrote: If...
I doubt $20 wil make a positive difference, besides the fact that the system that handles the registration has to be funded I doubt that there is anything left at all of those 20.
And like someone said before, some just can't be appeased whatever you do, they wil say WHAT , only $20 that is way too low...
And before you know it the 20 wil be increased....
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Re: Cycle lights proposal in Sydney
Postby wombatK » Wed Dec 22, 2010 10:32 pm
I'd just like to be treated like an equal to cars. I'd be happy to see cyclists given the same green phase as cars, with the cars obligated to give way when turning across the bicycle lanes - just as cars must give way to vehicles in a lane they wish to cross.
While bicycle boxes might have made it on the Staysafe recommendations list (and into the Aus Road Rules), there aren't any in the CBD - but they would probably do more to promote cyclists safety than all of Clover's half-baked bi-directional cycle lanes.
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Re: Cycle lights proposal in Sydney
Postby itsaghostcar » Thu Dec 23, 2010 10:34 am
I've got the privilege of riding along many of these cycle lanes each day on my route to and from work. Whilst I agree that the light phasing isn't the best, I don't understand the hate that cyclists have towards them. For anyone who isn't wanting to have a race through the city, they are a perfectly good way of getting through town. Attitudes from the public are also getting better - each week, I see more people (pedestrians and drivers) checking closely as they go across any cycle paths. Not everyone remembers, and you still need to be careful ... but it will take some time. There are close calls in Amsterdam and Copenhagen and other bicycle friendly places every day too.wombatK wrote:While bicycle boxes might have made it on the Staysafe recommendations list (and into the Aus Road Rules), there aren't any in the CBD - but they would probably do more to promote cyclists safety than all of Clover's half-baked bi-directional cycle lanes.
The more cyclists about the better it will be for us. Yes they may slow you up a bit, but remember that that's exactly the thinking that drivers have towards cyclsts. These cycleways and bike boxes are great things to promote cycling in Sydney. These visible signs make people aware that there is a viable alternative to sitting in traffic.
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