Three deaths by bike helmet

goodlookingcyclist · Postby **goodlookingcyclist** » Mon Jan 03, 2011 3:35 pm

ruscook · Postby **ruscook** » Mon Jan 03, 2011 3:42 pm

sigh... the tool used incorrectly/without thinking - loose straps was specifically mentioned. Unfortunately in rare circumstances someone has to pay with their life for these errors - very sad.

Nate · Postby **Nate** » Mon Jan 03, 2011 4:42 pm

The article gives a complete lack of perspective...
How about all the deaths & injuries they saved kiddies while doing "other" activities?

I wonder how many kids are injured from loose fitting t-shirts?

goodlookingcyclist · Postby **goodlookingcyclist** » Mon Jan 03, 2011 4:49 pm

ruscook wrote:sigh... the tool used incorrectly/without thinking - loose straps was specifically mentioned. Unfortunately in rare circumstances someone has to pay with their life for these errors - very sad.

The danger lies in the thinking that kids need helmets for non-cycling activities...
Just as in here

But for the above reason, the new helmet standard has straps that give way to avoid strangulation.

goodlookingcyclist · Postby **goodlookingcyclist** » Mon Jan 03, 2011 4:52 pm

Nate wrote:The article gives a complete lack of perspective...
How about all the deaths & injuries they saved kiddies while doing "other" activities?

I wonder how many kids are injured from loose fitting t-shirts?

That's not the point of the article nathan:
It's irrelevant what the helmet does during a cycling activity, the point is to highlight the potential risk when wearing a helmet on a non cycling activity.

Missy24 · Postby **Missy24** » Mon Jan 03, 2011 4:53 pm

Nate wrote:The article gives a complete lack of perspective...

The article is human and is a strong reminder, its not about wearing helmets whilst riding a bike or not wearing a helmet whilst riding, the article is about children who have died wearing helmets in 'other' circumstances.

Its a reminder to parents that these things do happen and to make sure helmets fit properly.

Not everything is about promoting cycling, sometimes its just a warning. The article is well writen and balanced, its familiar to those adds about children drowning, its not about promoting swimming its about making sure your kids are safe which is why we put fences around our pools.

}SkOrPn--7 · Postby **}SkOrPn--7** » Mon Jan 03, 2011 4:54 pm

Too much cotton wool being used these days let the kids play and toughen up the old fashion way.

Ricky

Redbull · Postby **Redbull** » Mon Jan 03, 2011 5:39 pm

Goodness - it's a slow news period!!

More kids get killed by cars/4WD backing out their driveway.

Classic example of hyping peoples perceptions of danger.

goodlookingcyclist · Postby **goodlookingcyclist** » Mon Jan 03, 2011 6:10 pm

Redbull wrote:Goodness - it's a slow news period!!

More kids get killed by cars/4WD backing out their driveway.

Classic example of hyping peoples perceptions of danger.

it's more the other way around , it's the people thinking playing is to dangerous without a helmet.

Apple · Postby **Apple** » Mon Jan 03, 2011 8:21 pm

Redbull wrote:Goodness - it's a slow news period!!

More kids get killed by cars/4WD backing out their driveway.

Classic example of hyping peoples perceptions of danger.

+1

Postby **Mulger bill** » Mon Jan 03, 2011 9:38 pm

goodlookingcyclist wrote:
Redbull wrote:Goodness - it's a slow news period!!

More kids get killed by cars/4WD backing out their driveway.

Classic example of hyping peoples perceptions of danger.
it's more the other way around , it's the people thinking playing is to dangerous without a helmet.

Why do people think activity X dangerous without a hemlet?

Which came first, the risk analysis or the marketing spiel?

Can't stop... I'm off to buy an automated dispenser pump for my antibacterial hand soap...

The Womble · Postby **The Womble** » Mon Jan 03, 2011 9:43 pm

Move along everyone. Nothing to see here

wombatK · Postby **wombatK** » Mon Jan 03, 2011 10:28 pm

Every day, thousands of people around the world are killed by knives.

Yes Yes Yes, we ought to ban helmets, knives and 4WD'S. And, although I don't have the exact statistics, I'm sure there lots of people dying from choking on their food - probably someone doing it right now. So let's ban eating too.

goodlookingcyclist · Postby **goodlookingcyclist** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 1:17 am

Mulger bill wrote: Why do people think activity X dangerous without a hemlet?

Which came first, the risk analysis or the marketing spiel?

Can't stop... I'm off to buy an automated dispenser pump for my antibacterial hand soap...

If it's not dangerous, then why the need for a helmet

It's a basic logic:
You only wear protective gear in a situation where there is a high risk of injury and the protective gear can prevent injury,
if there is no high risk for injury there is no need for protective gear either.

wombatK wrote:Every day, thousands of people around the world are killed by knives.

Yes Yes Yes, we ought to ban helmets, knives and 4WD'S. And, although I don't have the exact statistics, I'm sure there lots of people dying from choking on their food - probably someone doing it right now. So let's ban eating too.

the only difference between all of the above is that they are well known as being potentionaly dangerous.
the use of cycling helmet outside cycling actinities is not a well known one, it's not a bad thing for bringing that to someones attention.

Nate · Postby **Nate** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 9:34 am

Redbull wrote:Goodness - it's a slow news period!!
Classic example of hyping peoples perceptions of danger.

yeah basically what i was getting at... albeit in an odd formation of words

Better make this thread useful then...

Listen up to about 30seconds...
NSFW & Language after that

biftek · Postby **biftek** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 10:17 am

Where is the adequate training on how to correctly use the PPE ? At my work we get training on how to use gloves and goggles correctly lol

while it is easy to blame the parents for wrapping their kids up in cotton wool protecting their kids in all sorts of activities , it could also be said that the kid just got the helmet , it had his/her fave wiggle character on it so refused to take the helmet off ,mum/dad had their back turned , kid threw on the helmet and hung themselves

brentono · Postby **brentono** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 10:25 am

"You can never make anything zero-risk but it is important to be aware of these types of hazards."

Even with the "nanny-state" nothing is zero-risk.
Even these days, breathing isn't zero-risk, but you better not stop doing that.

The Womble · Postby **The Womble** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 10:29 am

I havent breathed all day. Feeling a bit tired

brentono · Postby **brentono** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 11:40 am

The Womble wrote:I havent breathed all day. Feeling a bit tired

Get out of that silly suit, you will.

Postby **Mulger bill** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 9:12 pm

goodlookingcyclist wrote:
Mulger bill wrote: Why do people think activity X dangerous without a hemlet?

Which came first, the risk analysis or the marketing spiel?

Can't stop... I'm off to buy an automated dispenser pump for my antibacterial hand soap...
If it's not dangerous, then why the need for a helmet

It's a basic logic:
You only wear protective gear in a situation where there is a high risk of injury and the protective gear can prevent injury,
if there is no high risk for injury there is no need for protective gear either.

Hey, I'm on your side here. There's big money to be made in making people fearful and if you can successfully lobby to have your "solution" made compulsory then you're riding the gravy train for life.

goodlookingcyclist · Postby **goodlookingcyclist** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 10:01 pm

Mulger bill wrote:
goodlookingcyclist wrote:
Mulger bill wrote: Why do people think activity X dangerous without a hemlet?

Which came first, the risk analysis or the marketing spiel?

Can't stop... I'm off to buy an automated dispenser pump for my antibacterial hand soap...
If it's not dangerous, then why the need for a helmet

It's a basic logic:
You only wear protective gear in a situation where there is a high risk of injury and the protective gear can prevent injury,
if there is no high risk for injury there is no need for protective gear either.
Hey, I'm on your side here. There's big money to be made in making people fearful and if you can successfully lobby to have your "solution" made compulsory then you're riding the gravy train for life.

Ah, now I get ya, must have read it wrong.
But yes, that's true.

sblack · Postby **sblack** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 11:05 pm

biftek wrote:while it is easy to blame the parents for wrapping their kids up in cotton wool protecting their kids in all sorts of activities , it could also be said that the kid just got the helmet , it had his/her fave wiggle character on it so refused to take the helmet off ,mum/dad had their back turned , kid threw on the helmet and hung themselves

Quite possible. Doesn't have to be their helmet either. I know plenty of times I've come home from my ride, sat down in the lounge room with my helmet, gloves and glasses on the coffee table and my three year old will come and pick it up and put it all on. I'd never contemplated the thought that if he did it without me noticing and ran off he might somehow end up strangling himself with it.

If you look at the three cases you would have to say it's a strong possibility for the climbing out the window one. Don't really see a parent saying, put your helmet on before climbing out that window. The bunk bed I spose they could be paranoid about them falling out in their sleep. As for the third case, a trampoline under or near a clothes line is just asking for a hurt kid.

sogood · Postby **sogood** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 11:37 pm

Strangling by helmet straps... I thought that's a standard technique used by WWII Allied commandos on German sentries. Or have I been watching too many war movies?

steve · Postby **steve** » Wed Jan 05, 2011 5:29 pm

I think this highlights the problem with making helmet wearing mandatory.
Australia has more deaths of this nature than is commesurate with the population here is the link.

http:// http://www.productsafety.gov.au/content ... mId/982119

Imagine if they had a law to make it mandatory to wear plastic bags over your head - the number of people asphixiated would increase dramatically,
unfortunatly the governmant does exactly this in making wearing helmets mandatory but at the same time fails to include proper warning on the helmets to
make people aware of the problem.
At least plastic bags have a warning ie this is not a toy etc and we are not forced by the police to wear them, bicycle helmets on the other hand we are.

Please help fight this dangerous and unfair law -visit my website to find out how.

http://bicycleaustralia.org/fight.php

sogood · Postby **sogood** » Wed Jan 05, 2011 6:19 pm

steve wrote:Imagine if they had a law to make it mandatory to wear plastic bags over your head - the number of people asphixiated would increase dramatically,
unfortunatly the governmant does exactly this in making wearing helmets mandatory...

Yes, wearing plastic bag will asphyxiate and no sane person would do that. And it's plain ignorance trying to compare cycling safety helmet to plastic bags.