For a start, wouldn't a triathlete have different bars? Flat bars?JV911 wrote:if you've ever been on a bunch ride/race with a trathlete in the mix you'll know why...foo on patrol wrote:^^ Why not? ^^
From D grade to A Grade in 1 year?
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Postby toolonglegs » Mon Jan 10, 2011 4:16 pm
No,they would be able to start with tri bars.ColinOldnCranky wrote:For a start, wouldn't a triathlete have different bars? Flat bars?JV911 wrote:if you've ever been on a bunch ride/race with a trathlete in the mix you'll know why...foo on patrol wrote:^^ Why not? ^^
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Postby drubie » Mon Jan 10, 2011 5:12 pm
It isn't so much about "pace" or times, it's whether you can hang onto a bunch in that grade or not so you can feature in the finish. Ride with that group on their training rides first and they'll soon sort you out into a grade.ireland57 wrote:+ 1.jchamp51 wrote:As someone back to cycling after 40yrs off and only started to keep fit, I am getting more and more interested.
can someone give me an understanding of what times a D verses a A grader consistanly has to acheive.
What grade would a 57yr beginer be in.
John
I'd like to do some crits and road races this year (53yo).
Would anyone here know what pace a D grade crit (I live in Nth Qld) might average and also a road race like the Tour de Tablelands?
but really, that's rubbish. We get none of it because the choices are illusory.
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Postby toolonglegs » Mon Jan 10, 2011 7:59 pm
Plenty of C graders probably put out more wattage in a sprint than many A graders...the trick is making it too the sprint...and even if you do have some left in the tank .ireland57 wrote:I know I can't stay with the A graders when they sprint.
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Postby brendancg » Mon Jan 10, 2011 8:59 pm
At Penrith the average speed for a 1hr Crit in C grade is just below 40kph, B grade about 41 - 42kph and A grade about 45kph.As someone back to cycling after 40yrs off and only started to keep fit, I am getting more and more interested.
can someone give me an understanding of what times a D verses a A grader consistanly has to acheive.
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Postby JV911 » Tue Jan 11, 2011 8:40 am
spot ontoolonglegs wrote: Plenty of C graders probably put out more wattage in a sprint than many A graders...the trick is making it too the sprint...and even if you do have some left in the tank .
tactics play a big part
and it's just not about fitness either...fitness doesnt always translate to race fitness esp in crits with all the surging and break-aways that go on.
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Postby /\ |_ | » Tue Jan 11, 2011 10:05 am
Speed is never a good indicator of diffrence between groups. A rider who leading his group for most of the race might be putting out as much power as a rider in the grade above who is riding in the middle of the pack.
When i was riding down at homebush in the group training rides, I found the diffrence between the groups to be approx 10% (power) over a 40min period. That 10% diffrence is made up in the last 10 - 15 mins of the ride. When I moved up a group I was dropped a few times but once i got my fitness up I was able to keep up. But i was never going to get that level fitness hanging around in the group below.
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Postby brendancg » Tue Jan 11, 2011 5:50 pm
Now I appreciate your response but most of us are not fortunate to own a power meter and must use the tools we have available. Most of us will own a computer which will indicate speed and time. My response was to the question further up that was asked regarding the times for differences within grades. Now a 1hr crit will have the same time but the difference which we will all have access to is average speed.Speed is never a good indicator of difference between groups. A rider who leading his group for most of the race might be putting out as much power as a rider in the grade above who is riding in the middle of the pack.
Now if you consider that a rider is going to maintain about 70% of the effort of the front rider whilst wheel sucking, then for 'A' grade at a 45kph average they are going to have to be comfortable maintaining about 31.5kph on their own. I acknowledge that bike handling skills, tactics, anaerobic ability and power will come into play but basically think my above answer will give the questioner an indication. It is what I considered when I started racing.
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Postby ireland57 » Tue Jan 11, 2011 9:42 pm
D grade would suit me but I don't want to turn up and get dropped at the first acceleration.
That would mean training even harder/more/whatever.
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Postby stinhambo » Wed Jan 12, 2011 12:18 am
Where abouts in Nth Qld are you based?ireland57 wrote:Would anyone here know what pace a D grade crit (I live in Nth Qld) might average and also a road race like the Tour de Tablelands?
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Postby ireland57 » Wed Jan 12, 2011 10:26 am
Townsville.stinhambo wrote:Where abouts in Nth Qld are you based?ireland57 wrote:Would anyone here know what pace a D grade crit (I live in Nth Qld) might average and also a road race like the Tour de Tablelands?
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Postby stinhambo » Wed Jan 12, 2011 10:31 am
I'm in Cairns. How many calls have you received from people asking how you are coping with the floods?ireland57 wrote:Townsville.stinhambo wrote:Where abouts in Nth Qld are you based?ireland57 wrote:Would anyone here know what pace a D grade crit (I live in Nth Qld) might average and also a road race like the Tour de Tablelands?
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Postby ireland57 » Wed Jan 12, 2011 9:16 pm
Getting dropped is ok. I'm actually quite good at it.mikesbytes wrote:D grades generally don't have too many accelerations but being dropped is all part of learning to race
But I don't want to start my first race polishing the technique on the first hard bit.
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Postby jacks1071 » Wed Feb 02, 2011 6:10 pm
There is pleanty of riders older than yourself racing D Grade at Tablelands - do the training and you'll be right, its a fantastic event.ireland57 wrote:+ 1.jchamp51 wrote:As someone back to cycling after 40yrs off and only started to keep fit, I am getting more and more interested.
can someone give me an understanding of what times a D verses a A grader consistanly has to acheive.
What grade would a 57yr beginer be in.
John
I'd like to do some crits and road races this year (53yo).
Would anyone here know what pace a D grade crit (I live in Nth Qld) might average and also a road race like the Tour de Tablelands?
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Re: From D grade to A Grade in 1 year?
Postby Grant. W » Wed Feb 02, 2011 9:41 pm
Bit off the topic Stin,stinhambo wrote:Newbie question here but is there a resource on how much and what kind of training these riders do? I'm curious about types of road racing after watching SBS at the weekend!
Good luck tonight mate, hope you are all safe up there.
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