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Postby Drunkmonkey » Sat Feb 05, 2011 10:06 pm
Great bookim_no_pro wrote:I bought 2 copiesDrunkmonkey wrote: Well it was a BOOK signing
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Postby Mean Machine » Sun Feb 06, 2011 10:09 pm
No, you don't. You can buy exactly the same jersey but without the rainbow bands, the choice is yours. With a lot of frame brands, you don't have a choice, if they won the World Championship, there will be a rainbow band and if you want one particular brand, you'll have the rainbow bands on your frame. Besides, these are completely different things as I said before. With the frames, it's just a marketing tool to sell frames while the rainbow jersey is given in recognition of a very special achievement. It's a statement too, "This is a World Champion". To pay 60 bucks for it and wear it in public is lame.im_no_pro wrote:Ummm.... you have exactly the same choice you have with shoes/jerseys/caps........ don't buy it.Mean Machine wrote: you don't even have a choice when you buy a frame with rainbow bands.
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Postby Mulger bill » Sun Feb 06, 2011 11:12 pm
Agreed. If you want a certain bike you've gotta take it with the stripes.Mean Machine wrote:No, you don't. You can buy exactly the same jersey but without the rainbow bands, the choice is yours. With a lot of frame brands, you don't have a choice, if they won the World Championship, there will be a rainbow band and if you want one particular brand, you'll have the rainbow bands on your frame. Besides, these are completely different things as I said before. With the frames, it's just a marketing tool to sell frames while the rainbow jersey is given in recognition of a very special achievement. It's a statement too, "This is a World Champion". To pay 60 bucks for it and wear it in public is lame.im_no_pro wrote:Ummm.... you have exactly the same choice you have with shoes/jerseys/caps........ don't buy it.Mean Machine wrote: you don't even have a choice when you buy a frame with rainbow bands.
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Postby Solirossi » Thu Feb 10, 2011 11:37 am
Whilst you are correct in that statement, we all know that the jersey was earned by the whole team. The same way that a Collingwood premiers top or something is earned by the team as a whole. Cycling just has a different dynamic. But the point remais that a jersey or top is earned by professional atheletes.Mean Machine wrote:I think it is different. Wearing a footy jersey, as a supporter of a team, is culturally accepted practice in that sport while wearing a TdF yellow, Giro's pink or the rainbow jersey is not. These jerseys are a little bit like war medals, they're given to individuals, not teams, for some very special achievements. Wearing a duplicate is cheap and not cool.im_no_pro wrote:No different to buying a 2010 Collingwood premiers tshirt and wearing that.
Dont get me wrong, Im a fan of plain cycle gear, Rapha, Assos, Sugio etc... that said iv got no real issue if a guy wants to wear the rainbow stripes. Iv got a mate who is an avid Hincapie fan, he is a strong rider and often wears the 2010 BMC Stars and Stripes kit. Sure he did not earn it but he is a fan of the guy who did, so he is showing his support for him by wearing it. Not for one second does he actually think that he is the USA Road Champion.
Sure if you are racing in a UCI event then yep, Id say steer clear. But otherwise whats the big deal, its someone showing their support and affection for a certain rider, which i think is good.
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Postby m@ » Thu Feb 10, 2011 12:28 pm
In Hobart he signed anything and everything after everyone's book was signed; there was a fair queue for books and then a second one afterward for jerseys etc. One bloke even brought his bike up!Drunkmonkey wrote:He had that policy at his book launch - book signings only, no personal items. He said its so people dont go flogging the stuff on Ebay for a profit.im_no_pro wrote:I have (and wear) a Campag cap with the stripes on it. I have (and won't wear) a World Champion Jersey I bought at the UCI's. I bought it to get Cadels signature on, mount it and hang it in my study. Chiara wouldnt let him sign it. And I though I was whipped
Never made it past the first few pages of the book, TBH a bit disappointed with the quality of writing and the fact it's written by a ghost writer as I was under the impression it was an autobiography... should probably persevere I guess.
Um, rainbow stripes... I'd wear 'em commuting on the MTB with toe straps and baggy shorts, not on the roadie tho. Don't really care either way what others wear though...
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Postby Mean Machine » Thu Feb 10, 2011 4:00 pm
Hairsplitting. While cycling is a team sport (at least pro cycling), some races, including WC, are won with little team support or no team support. Never mind situations with divided teams where some guys refuse to work for a particular leader for one reason or another. And of course some WC are won by guys who were not meant to win but defied orders and did their own thing at some point anyway (Ballan for example). Then there's Roche who murdered everyone working for Kelly but at the end ended up winning himself because he just couldn't stop himself from attacking every time the pace slowed down.Solirossi wrote:Whilst you are correct in that statement, we all know that the jersey was earned by the whole team.Mean Machine wrote:I think it is different. Wearing a footy jersey, as a supporter of a team, is culturally accepted practice in that sport while wearing a TdF yellow, Giro's pink or the rainbow jersey is not. These jerseys are a little bit like war medals, they're given to individuals, not teams, for some very special achievements. Wearing a duplicate is cheap and not cool.im_no_pro wrote:No different to buying a 2010 Collingwood premiers tshirt and wearing that.
Point being, wearing fake "honour" jerseys is lame regardless of the excuse people come up with to wear them.
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Postby Baldy » Thu Feb 10, 2011 7:09 pm
I wear team kit but draw the line at specific champion jerseys and state national team kits. I see team kit as something supporters wear and the others you earn them.
I dont know where merchandise fits in, im confused and lost interest in this post after "I wear a cap"....
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Postby celeste boy » Wed Feb 16, 2011 9:03 pm
I love the fact that 'my team' won the rainbow jersey in previous years and there is no way that any of us mugs who are flat out keeping up with the red triangle could even dream of earning one of these jerseys.
I'm not talking about someone turning up for a Saturday morning ride decked out in yellow including shoes. We cop enough crap from those who don't ride about our gear,it's a pity other riders are so critical of each other.
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Postby open roader » Thu Feb 17, 2011 9:31 pm
Yellow Helmet, yellow and black jersey, yellow gloves, (black bibknicks) yellow shoes, even use yellow biddons..........
100% to do with safety, 0% to do with TDF general classification..........
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Postby David_G » Thu Mar 10, 2011 11:50 pm
And it doesn't matter how many syllables you use to try and insult Collingwood supporters, once you are Magpie Supporter, that's all you need to be.
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Postby Kev365428 » Fri Mar 11, 2011 7:53 am
Wearing a rainbow or national champions jersey should be reserved for those who have earned the right.
Would you wear a premiership ring if the footy team you support won the grand final?
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rainbow stripes - how could you even consider it !
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Postby Undertow » Fri Mar 11, 2011 10:41 am
I'm sure plenty of people would if they sold the rings, but obviously the footy codes don't want just anyone wearing them.Kev365428 wrote: Would you wear a premiership ring if the footy team you support won the grand final?
However as the yellow/rainbow/whatever jerseys and associated gear are freely available, the respective cycling associations obviously think its okay for joe bloggs to wear them.
If you don't like people wearing them, complain to the powers that be and get them removed from sale.
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Postby buzz » Wed Mar 16, 2011 4:51 pm
Realistically it is on some level disrespectful to wear the strips without earning them. Is feel it is much more disrespectful that company's are making money selling merchandise that displays the strips (not counting bikes etc that have rainbow as part of proud history of label). I don't believe it is the same as wearing a championship ring, as they are an exclusive item for only the winners, were as the merchandise sold displaying strips is obviously not exclusive. The jerseys that I have with strips are both team shirts that display strips and have signature of the winner printed on them, I wear them as more of an honor to the proud winners rather than trying to fool people into thinking I'm world champ!
Just about to go for a quick 80km and I shall be putting on one of my jersey with strips just for the he'll of it!!
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Postby David_G » Fri Mar 18, 2011 2:07 pm
As long as you're on a bike, it doesn't matter what you wear.
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Postby Xponti » Fri Mar 18, 2011 3:24 pm
As for me, I wouldn't be caught dead in a Jersey I didn't earn. I have plenty of CSC team jersey's, but I got them as part of working for CSC and participating in rides the company wanted to advertise in. my 2c worth.
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Postby nickobec » Fri Mar 18, 2011 6:57 pm
That is what is being argued with here.
Last year if you where a fan of Cancellera and his performance in Paris Roubaix and RVV, you could wear a plain Saxo Bank jersey but not the Swiss national champions jersey with Saxobank on it?
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Postby D_ess » Mon Apr 25, 2011 10:52 pm
He does a fair amount of charity work - no doubt the value of stuff he auctions for charity will be greater if he limits what he signs. That might be a new thing for him tho, so maybe he forgot, and Chiara reminded him. Shame, but for the best i spose.Drunkmonkey wrote:He had that policy at his book launch - book signings only, no personal items. He said its so people dont go flogging the stuff on Ebay for a profit.im_no_pro wrote:I have (and wear) a Campag cap with the stripes on it. I have (and won't wear) a World Champion Jersey I bought at the UCI's. I bought it to get Cadels signature on, mount it and hang it in my study. Chiara wouldnt let him sign it. And I though I was whipped
Cyclingtips has an auction for a bike of his from last season atm too ...up to over $14000 last time i checked too...wonder how high it will go?
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Postby D_ess » Tue Apr 26, 2011 12:19 am
+ 1...caps are not identified as a "trophy" the way jerseys are...wear whatever cap you want i reckon...im_no_pro wrote:I have (and wear) a Campag cap with the stripes on it. I have (and won't wear) a World Champion Jersey I bought at the UCI's. ......
Um, rainbow stripes... I'd wear 'em commuting on the MTB with toe straps and baggy shorts, not on the roadie tho. Don't really care either way what others wear though...
also good point about wearing a "trophy" jersey out of context (eg. on a MTB wearing baggies)....it won't likely carry that element of "bigging youself up", which is the problem some have it seems.
+1 again, i don't see a few stripes on a bike as an issue at all...if a company's won 3 championships they get to permanently put them on their bikes so where does that leave you...besides, they're tiny stripes and as per the caps, aren't really "trophy" identifiers.Baldy wrote:I ... have a couple of WCS bits on the bike. .... I wanted white bar/stem and found the wcs stuff for a good price. Plus I was putting it on an entry level bike that no world champ would be found dead on
I wear team kit but draw the line at specific champion jerseys and state national team kits. I see team kit as something supporters wear and the others you earn them.
Also ditto on the team kit - it IS a way to support a team, and show who you look up to in cycling. BUT, i'd wear it for training or group rides, not for competition (not that i compete )
So, do you mean WC rainbow stripes or national champ stripes? If it's WC stripes i'd probably say that's the same as on bikes...ie it's ok, it's a small stripe and we know one doesn't run into ex-World Champs (usually lol...story above about the old guy is funny...and so true).....so i don't think it looks like you're bigging yourself up or disrespecting the riders who've earned that right ....celeste boy wrote:I think it's sad that there are some really attractive jerseys for sale that have thin rainbow bands around the sleeves celebrating a win way-back-then that would be frowned upon by other riders.
I love the fact that 'my team' won the rainbow jersey in previous years and there is no way that any of us mugs who are flat out keeping up with the red triangle could even dream of earning one of these jerseys.
I'm not talking about someone turning up for a Saturday morning ride decked out in yellow including shoes. We cop enough crap from those who don't ride about our gear,it's a pity other riders are so critical of each other.
celeste boy
...but the national stripes are different hey? Cos potentially someone could be out for a ride and meet a former national champ...apart from not insulting the guy by wearing his stripes you haven't earnt, I'd like to know if i saw those stripes i was really meeting a national champ.
That said, there are a few full versions of national champion jerseys that just look wicked...the Swiss jersey and the current Belgian jersey just look the business...don't think i'd ever wear one, unless i was out for a ride with close mates? lol, nah....
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