That's a good sign!nickobec wrote:And it was a huge change, total different feel and worked different muscles on today's ride more quads than calves complaining at the end.
Hot spots on feet
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Hot spots on feet
Postby sogood » Wed Feb 16, 2011 4:37 am
RK wrote:And that is Wikipedia - I can write my own definition.
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Re: Hot spots on feet
Postby Dave R32 » Wed Feb 16, 2011 10:03 pm
Worth a read.
My wife suffered from hot foot and we fixed it by changing shoes, which unfortunately sounds like it wont work for you as you wear different shoes. However it still may be worthwhile to visit a foot specialist and see if shoe inserts that help with the metatarsal nerves.
I hope you get it sorted.
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Re: Hot spots on feet
Postby Comedian » Wed Feb 16, 2011 10:05 pm
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Re: Hot spots on feet
Postby BruceGray » Thu Feb 17, 2011 4:25 pm
- if your seat has been higher, it's possible the more flexed trunk position was irritating your lumbar and sacral nerve roots, which can mimick or exacerbate metatarsalgia.
- you might benefit from varus wedges and a metatarsal spreader/button. Some manufacturers are including a range of insoles with these integrated i.e Specialized Body Geometry video review here.
http://cycling-review.com/clothing/bicy ... ing-shoes/
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Re: Hot spots on feet
Postby Comedian » Fri Feb 18, 2011 7:53 am
I'm strapped up now with some felt to try and emulate this and we'll see if it helps on the ride tomorrow.
Re: Hot spots on feet
Postby Funkymonk » Sun Feb 20, 2011 11:57 pm
http://www.specialized.com/us/en/bc/SBC ... spid=57994
http://www.specialized.com/us/en/bc/SBC ... emId=11504
http://www.specialized.com/us/en/bc/SBC ... spid=57242
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Re: Hot spots on feet
Postby jules21 » Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:23 am
i can offer a tip - wiggle your toes - this provided me with temporary relief.
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Re: Hot spots on feet
Postby BruceGray » Tue Feb 22, 2011 5:37 pm
I've been recommending varus wedges for cyclists for years in physio clinic. in addition to a roomy forefoot compartment.Funkymonk wrote:For those with burning issues , have a read of these and watch the little videos .... solved my issues with my feet
Over that time, none of the 20 odd bike shops I contacted supplied and fitted varus wedges.
We have improvised by cutting up old credit cards (or similar styled membership cards) to build up between the cleat and shoe sole on the inner side. The cards are around 3/4mm deep, and most wedges were 3-4.5mm high. We'd araldite several cards together, drill cleat screw holes through it, then cut to size. If you are going to do it yourself, ensure your screws are long enough. If 4.5mm doesn't feel high enough, give it a month to adapt. I wouldn't recommend layering credit cards any higher.
For additional height, we used custom cut and tapered EVA inside the shoe under the ball of the foot.
Metatarsal spreaders/domes/buttons can be constructed from EVA (glued layers if one is not thick enough), then cutting, rasping and sanding to a best fit. Generally you'd place behind the pain (closer to heel), so load was taken off the inflammed tissue and onto the spreader. This is a common physio solution for morton's neuroma, one type of metatarsalgia.
You can also move the cleat back so more of the forefoot applies force to the pedal. The saddle will probably need lowering slightly if you do.
Strengthening drills for the ankle and foot are worthwhile too. i.e.
One legged half squat off bench. lower other foot behind you, arms out to side and forwards for balance +/- dumbells. go down super slow as far as able or 90 degrees, then isometric pause until burn, then up for 5 second recovery. This will help strengthen the muscles that stabilize the midfoot and arches (tibialis posterior, peroneals, and toe flexors). hang supporting foot's heel over edge as a progression.
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Re: Hot spots on feet
Postby nickobec » Wed Feb 23, 2011 7:52 pm
I have been climbing 2 to 3 hours in tight shoes, regularly putting pressure on a small section of my forefoot, probably compressing those nerves.
The feet survive the climbing, but next day they scream in pain, much the same as if I was riding hard.
So this week no climbing, and I will put in a couple of hard rides to see how my feet hold up.
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Re: Hot spots on feet
Postby Baalzamon » Fri Feb 25, 2011 3:45 pm
I went and got myself some of those, will see how they go. At least I can take them back if they don't fix my hot spotFunkymonk wrote:For those with burning issues , have a read of these and watch the little videos .... solved my issues with my feet
http://www.specialized.com/us/en/bc/SBC ... spid=57994
http://www.specialized.com/us/en/bc/SBC ... emId=11504
http://www.specialized.com/us/en/bc/SBC ... spid=57242
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Re: Hot spots on feet
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Re: Hot spots on feet
Postby grantw » Tue Mar 01, 2011 9:07 pm
In the meantime he has recommend regular heat treatment to reduce the inflammation so my heat bag is getting a workout.
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Re: Hot spots on feet
Postby drac » Wed Mar 02, 2011 9:48 pm
It's very annoying.
I have the same problem on long rides on a hot day (such as AAC 200km). Had a numb foot for a month the first time I did it.
This year 130km with new shoes. Pushing up Tawonga gap on the way back one foot became so painful I almost had to stop. Aching every time I rode for a few weeks afterwards. Rest helped.
Changes back to my old shoes which helped - more room on the toe box and softer innersole.
Hope to try some slightly wider shoes to see if this helps. Not cheap though...but will be worth it if it solves the problem.
A far as I understand it - caused by nerve compression in the metatarsal region from continual pressure and increased foot swelling during the hot weather. Sounds like climbing shoes would likely cause/exacerbate the same problem - tightly fitted shoes and compresson over the ball of the foot.
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Re: Hot spots on feet
Postby grantw » Fri Mar 04, 2011 6:51 am
cheers
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Re: Hot spots on feet
Postby nickobec » Tue Apr 05, 2011 11:53 pm
Lets see 42km ride Friday no problem, Saturday 10km ride to rock climbing, hard 2.5 hour session, never took my shoes off, 10km ride back. Sunday took my poseur bike out, had not ridden it for six weeks, had to drop the seat height by 3cm to match my regular road bike. Rode 170km, at 125km point, my right foot had minor hotspot, but compared to how the rest of my body felt after 80km into the wind,the feet where in pretty good shape.. Break for coffee fixed it, last 40km no issues. Monday only 4km to and from station in flats, today 45km commute no problems,
So it looks like dropping the seat solved the my problem, after taking a break from riding and climbing.
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Re: Hot spots on feet
Postby bosvit » Wed Apr 06, 2011 7:19 am
Hotspots take all the fun out of riding IMO
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Re: Hot spots on feet
Postby Comedian » Wed Apr 06, 2011 7:29 am
The next thing to work on is tighter socks (workmate suggestion), cleat position, possibly a bike fit. I've got to fix this as on Sunday I had the legs to carry on but I couldn't push on the pedals.
What's more, it's hard to test options due to the fact that it's at least a 3-4 hour ride to see if it's fixed or not.
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Re: Hot spots on feet
Postby Mustang » Wed Apr 06, 2011 10:10 am
80 to 90 is where i get it bad, the few times I,ve done this length.I used to get it mildly at around 50, the purchase of "Feetures" socks helped.Comedian wrote:Well I had the feet on fire possibly worse than ever on the 170k ride on the weekend. This is despite the orthotics. The problem doesn't show up until about 80-90k and didn't get too bad until probably 120k+. .
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Re: Hot spots on feet
Postby grantw » Wed Apr 06, 2011 10:20 am
That was exactly my experience with onset of pain around 80km and the orthotic didn't make it any better.Comedian wrote:Well I had the feet on fire possibly worse than ever on the 170k ride on the weekend. This is despite the orthotics. The problem doesn't show up until about 80-90k and didn't get too bad until probably 120k+.
The next thing to work on is tighter socks (workmate suggestion), cleat position, possibly a bike fit. I've got to fix this as on Sunday I had the legs to carry on but I couldn't push on the pedals.
What's more, it's hard to test options due to the fact that it's at least a 3-4 hour ride to see if it's fixed or not.
I eventually switched over to road shoes and cleats (I was using spds) and got some Sidi Lasers and look Keo pedals just before the Oppy. This seems to have been a miracle cure, at least on the bike
I went for a 90 minute walk with the Dog on Sunday and found my left foot was heating up, might be time for new joggers...
What's the idea behind tighter socks?
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Re: Hot spots on feet
Postby Comedian » Wed Apr 06, 2011 10:30 am
It has happened for me with two different pairs of shoes. The idea with the tighter socks is that it prevents friction between the foot and the shoe. Ie foot movement in the shoe causes the problem, and with the tight socks the friction is then between the sock and the shoe. Worth a try.grantw wrote:That was exactly my experience with onset of pain around 80km and the orthotic didn't make it any better.Comedian wrote:Well I had the feet on fire possibly worse than ever on the 170k ride on the weekend. This is despite the orthotics. The problem doesn't show up until about 80-90k and didn't get too bad until probably 120k+.
The next thing to work on is tighter socks (workmate suggestion), cleat position, possibly a bike fit. I've got to fix this as on Sunday I had the legs to carry on but I couldn't push on the pedals.
What's more, it's hard to test options due to the fact that it's at least a 3-4 hour ride to see if it's fixed or not.
I eventually switched over to road shoes and cleats (I was using spds) and got some Sidi Lasers and look Keo pedals just before the Oppy. This seems to have been a miracle cure, at least on the bike
I went for a 90 minute walk with the Dog on Sunday and found my left foot was heating up, might be time for new joggers...
What's the idea behind tighter socks?
cheers
grant
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Re: Hot spots on feet
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Re: Hot spots on feet
Postby Mustang » Sat Apr 16, 2011 7:37 am
70 years young.
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Re: Hot spots on feet
Postby Comedian » Sun Apr 17, 2011 7:36 pm
I would love for someone else who is suffering this problem to try the super tight sock theory. I've got another long one in a couple of weeks so will repeat to test.
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Re: Hot spots on feet
Postby easty » Tue Apr 19, 2011 12:59 pm
Have generated a short list of solutions listed in this forum, and will start playing around with each or combinations of each.
Will try the tight socks first and let you know!
Thanks guys!
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