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Quarq Distributer
Postby Axel Brawn » Fri Nov 19, 2010 4:30 pm
With our strong dollar and increasing market for high end cycling products I'm hoping our prices will be the same as USA/Euro.
Thanks
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Re: Quarq Distributer
Postby Axel Brawn » Fri Nov 19, 2010 4:51 pm
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Re: Quarq Distributer
Postby Alex Simmons/RST » Fri Nov 19, 2010 9:08 pm
Are you including import tax (GST) and shipping?
BTW - they don't ship outside of USA/Canada.
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Re: Quarq Distributer
Postby Axel Brawn » Sat Nov 20, 2010 1:16 pm
Even if you add gst (10%) import tarrif (5%) its still a lot less than you can get it here....
Surely there is a distributer here who isn't trying to make a killing from each customer
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Re: Quarq Distributer
Postby Alex Simmons/RST » Sat Nov 20, 2010 2:34 pm
The price listed on that site is $US1,895.Axel Brawn wrote:I'm not trying to buy from that site - I'm just saying that why is quarq $1800 there and $2300 here?
Even if you add gst (10%) import tarrif (5%) its still a lot less than you can get it here....
Surely there is a distributer here who isn't trying to make a killing from each customer
AUD is 0.98 USD, so that's A$1,933
Add 10% GST and that's A$2,127.
Add shipping for, I dunno, $50-100 and that's ~A $2,200
Apart from the tax man, I don't see who's making the killing?
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Re: Quarq Distributer
Postby trailgumby » Sat Nov 20, 2010 2:55 pm
Took me awhile to get used to that when I as over there a few years ago - cashier staff never counted out your change when they gave it to you, and I was always going "Say What? you've just short-changed me " and then a few seconds later I'd realise "oh, taxes... "
So I'd be inclined to buy locally - the saving is just about zero buying offshore, and you'll get local warranty support.
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Re: Quarq Distributer
Postby Axel Brawn » Sun Nov 21, 2010 9:47 am
I think you are missing the point here buddy. Business 101 - wholesale price does not equal retail price...Alex Simmons/RST wrote: Apart from the tax man, I don't see who's making the killing?
I'm sure you could ship 100+ quarqs out here for a lot cheaper than the retail price in USA - you would combine shipping so you wouldn't pay $100 each as you stated and the GST is passed onto the end customer anyway.
I guess its like any high end cycling product you buy here, it always comes with a premium - and thats on top of the duties and logistics overheads.
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Re: Quarq Distributer
Postby bomber » Tue Nov 23, 2010 11:30 am
Does business 101 mention demand when working out retail? While powermeter's are becoming more prevalent but I doubt they are shipping by the hundred. As a product they are still the domain of the well funded/ sponsored/ poser/ elite. Delete as applicable.Axel Brawn wrote:I think you are missing the point here buddy. Business 101 - wholesale price does not equal retail price...
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Re: Quarq Distributer
Postby MichaelB » Tue Nov 23, 2010 1:02 pm
Another Business 101 fact.
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Re: Quarq Distributer
Postby Alex Simmons/RST » Tue Nov 23, 2010 4:44 pm
So you expect as a retail customer to pay a wholesale price for a low volume piece of specialist technical equipment?Axel Brawn wrote:I think you are missing the point here buddy. Business 101 - wholesale price does not equal retail price...Alex Simmons/RST wrote: Apart from the tax man, I don't see who's making the killing?
I'm sure you could ship 100+ quarqs out here for a lot cheaper than the retail price in USA - you would combine shipping so you wouldn't pay $100 each as you stated and the GST is passed onto the end customer anyway.
I guess its like any high end cycling product you buy here, it always comes with a premium - and thats on top of the duties and logistics overheads.
Well since you are so clever, how about importing 100 units and sell them locally for a lot less than current providers can/do. Just out of curiosity, of that 100 units you are going to bring in, how many of each model, crank type and crank length are you proposing to stock?
I've checked the prices people pay for SRM in the USA, UK and Europe. Mine are not that much different, in some case better than off shore prices.
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Re: Quarq Distributer
Postby Axel Brawn » Tue Nov 23, 2010 4:58 pm
As a consumer I'm always going to want a better price and I feel that the prices here are inflated.
I don't expect a customer to pay wholesale- but a Quarq at $1845 CAD already has a profit margin built into the price.
See the below link -
http://cgi.ebay.com/SRAM-Quarq-GXP-Wire ... 2a0bcdbe52
If I knew someone in USA, they could buy this, post it to me for $50 and I would have a new Quarq for around $1900 AUS. Where as here I'm up for atleast another $300-$400.
As soon as Garmin/Metrigear or Polar can get a sub $1000 pedal based power meter here they will make a killing.
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Re: Quarq Distributer
Postby craigg » Tue Nov 23, 2010 6:55 pm
Battery life was about a year (training and riding 5-6 days per week). Very impressed with the unit, very robust and the power readings are consistent ride to ride.
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Re: Quarq Distributer
Postby Alex Simmons/RST » Tue Nov 23, 2010 7:00 pm
Then what's stopping you?Axel Brawn wrote:Obviously its in your best interest to argue the point as your are selling/advertising similar products.
As a consumer I'm always going to want a better price and I feel that the prices here are inflated.
I don't expect a customer to pay wholesale- but a Quarq at $1845 CAD already has a profit margin built into the price.
See the below link -
http://cgi.ebay.com/SRAM-Quarq-GXP-Wire ... 2a0bcdbe52
If I knew someone in USA, they could buy this, post it to me for $50 and I would have a new Quarq for around $1900 AUS. Where as here I'm up for atleast another $300-$400.
As soon as Garmin/Metrigear or Polar can get a sub $1000 pedal based power meter here they will make a killing.
Does it come with a 2-year warranty?
Have Garmin/Polar announced their pricing and availability? News to me.
There is already a sub-$1k power meter available, has been for many years. It's called a Powertap.
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Re: Quarq Distributer
Postby Alex Simmons/RST » Tue Nov 23, 2010 7:12 pm
The price listed on that item is US$1799.Axel Brawn wrote:I don't expect a customer to pay wholesale- but a Quarq at $1845 CAD already has a profit margin built into the price.
See the below link -
http://cgi.ebay.com/SRAM-Quarq-GXP-Wire ... 2a0bcdbe52
If I knew someone in USA, they could buy this, post it to me for $50 and I would have a new Quarq for around $1900 AUS. Where as here I'm up for atleast another $300-$400.
If you are lucky you'll get 0.98 to the dollar but mostly it's a couple of percent worse than that when actually buying USD, and for most transactions via transfer/paypal/credit card, expect to add a few percent. Let's be generous and say 0.95 is the real effective rate.
That's A$1893.
Then add GST of 10%, unless you are planning on breaking the law and not declaring the true paid cost of an imported item?
A$2083 + your 50 for shipping and assume there's no handling charge either for customs clearance
A$2133
I think you are over estimating your real savings.
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Re: Quarq Distributer
Postby rogan » Tue Nov 23, 2010 10:28 pm
This bit caught my eye. Do we strictly speaking have to pay GST on stuff purchased from Wiggle, PBK, etc?Alex Simmons said:
Then add GST of 10%, unless you are planning on breaking the law and not declaring the true paid cost of an imported item?
The broader issue is not just a problem for Australian bike'n'bits importers/distributors/retailers. This combination of the high dollar, cheap transport and postage, and high volume/lower margin trade, from presumably lower wholesale prices than you get here, combined with the ease of access of the internet and the ability to avoid GST, has created shock waves well beyond one's LBS.
It's an issue across all equipment intensive sport/recreational activities, and worsened where there is a participant skew towards those comfortable purchasing OS off the internet. Think golf, scuba, etc. I couldn't give a stuff about golf, but some of my colleagues do, and I am told that golf clubs at the moment are ridiculously cheap.
It's presumably spread to other fields as well.
It's obvious where it ends. There will be fewer local importers/distributors/retailers in the future.
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Re: Quarq Distributer
Postby MichaelB » Wed Nov 24, 2010 8:37 am
If it's over $1,000 in value and customs snaffle it, then yes.rogan wrote:This bit caught my eye. Do we strictly speaking have to pay GST on stuff purchased from Wiggle, PBK, etc?Alex Simmons said:
Then add GST of 10%, unless you are planning on breaking the law and not declaring the true paid cost of an imported item?
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Oh and to Axel, if you can get it cheaper OS, then get it. Don't keep arguing and postualating, do it. Prove it and brag.
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Re: Quarq Distributer
Postby Axel Brawn » Wed Nov 24, 2010 8:44 am
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Re: Quarq Distributer
Postby Axel Brawn » Wed Nov 24, 2010 8:46 am
Of course not - why would I get one back on the government? I love paying taxes.Alex Simmons/RST wrote: Then add GST of 10%, unless you are planning on breaking the law and not declaring the true paid cost of an imported item?
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Re: Quarq Distributer
Postby Axel Brawn » Wed Nov 24, 2010 9:05 am
I think this sums it up, I'm probably being a bit bullish stating this issue is only on powermeters. And i don't know the margin AUS distributers are making on Quarq & SRM, so the "making a killing" statement is an overstatement.rogan wrote:
The broader issue is not just a problem for Australian bike'n'bits importers/distributors/retailers. This combination of the high dollar, cheap transport and postage, and high volume/lower margin trade, from presumably lower wholesale prices than you get here, combined with the ease of access of the internet and the ability to avoid GST, has created shock waves well beyond one's LBS.
Obviously training with power is the best way to train and for o/s riders is more accessible due the location/demand/logistics and other factors.
I'm sure within the coming years with new competitors coming into the power market the prices will reduce significantly - i might just sit tight till then.
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Re: Quarq Distributer
Postby bomber » Wed Nov 24, 2010 1:21 pm
You can try but I wouldn't expect a significant price drop. Competitors arent getting into the market to make it cheaper for the consumer but because they stand to make a profit. The polar/ look pm already has a suggested retail of around $2800 USD from what I've read which puts it right at the premium side of things. Plus I believe its using bluetooth which means your locked into a specific pedal type and head unit.Axel Brawn wrote:i might just sit tight till then.
Garmin's acquisition of metrigear is more interesting I think but again IF they can bring it to market I wouldn't expect a massive saving over the competition. Your best bet is to look second hand if you can handle the stigma of 'used goods'
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Re: Quarq Distributer
Postby Alex Simmons/RST » Wed Nov 24, 2010 4:05 pm
Power meters cost less here than in the UK and many European countries.Axel Brawn wrote:Obviously training with power is the best way to train and for o/s riders is more accessible due the location/demand/logistics and other factors.
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Re: Quarq Distributer
Postby jacks1071 » Thu Jan 13, 2011 4:44 pm
Can tell you that I make almost nothing on them, we offer local warranty backed by SRAM Australia and our delivery time is a lot quicker than you'll get from Quarq in the US. We normally deliver in 2-3 weeks on average at the moment whereas Quarq want 2-6 weeks before they send them, then probably another 2 weeks for delivery and you've sent your deposit to an overseas company in the meantime. I also don't know if they will ship them out of the US?
I don't know what margin SRAM put on them, but if you can buy them locally for only a couple of hundred more factoring gst, duty and freight then that does seem like a reasonable deal to me anyway. I wouldn't bother selling them if I didn't think we had a competitive price.
Shipping to and from the US is VERY expensive. I sent a pair of shoes home in November when I was in LA as my bag was full and the shoe box cost me $100 and that was shopping around for the best courier deal - I'd imagine a crank box would have been at least $150 each way without insurance..
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Re: Quarq Distributer
Postby JV911 » Thu May 05, 2011 11:04 am
Quarq is pleased to announce that we have been acquired by SRAM. The acquisition by SRAM marks a milestone for both the SRAM and Quarq organisations.
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Re: Quarq Distributer
Postby jacks1071 » Wed Jun 01, 2011 1:00 pm
Gees - I don't know if that is good news. I wonder if they will still keep offering units with other manufacturer's cranks?JV911 wrote:SRAM Acquires Quarq
Quarq is pleased to announce that we have been acquired by SRAM. The acquisition by SRAM marks a milestone for both the SRAM and Quarq organisations.
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