Advice for an entry suspension fork
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Advice for an entry suspension fork
Postby igstar » Sun May 08, 2011 12:10 pm
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Postby The Womble » Sun May 08, 2011 1:29 pm
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Re: Advice for an entry suspension fork
Postby mitzikatzi » Sun May 08, 2011 1:38 pm
Are you a larger rider? Some say well set up coils spring forks work better than air springs with larger riders. The more and air spring compresses the faster it "shoots" back/out.
A Tora or Dart 3 would be 2 coil spring forks.
An Air Tora perhaps.
New stiffer springs would help your RST fork but it might just be wasting money. What year?model is your current fork?
Rock Shox Dart 3 Forks - Coil 2011 From 132.00 AUD not sure if that is a 29er or if they can come in 29er as an option
Rock Shox Tora TK Forks - Coil 2011 From 210.66 AUD
Manitou Match Forks 2010 From 200.00 AUD
lots of options
Damm Now you have me thinking about a new Manitou fork.
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Advice for an entry suspension fork
Postby McGoo » Sun May 08, 2011 3:00 pm
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Re: Advice for an entry suspension fork
Postby zero » Sun May 08, 2011 6:22 pm
I have a tora from 2006, and its been perfectly fine for a 90+ kg rider. Its much easier to buy an air fork, and set it up straight out of the box, because coils are only great if they are matched to your weight.
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Postby trailgumby » Sun May 08, 2011 10:24 pm
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Re: Advice for an entry suspension fork
Postby mitzikatzi » Mon May 09, 2011 10:06 am
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Re: Advice for an entry suspension fork
Postby The Womble » Mon May 09, 2011 10:17 am
Not a home job?mitzikatzi wrote:The other thing about Air Forks is that if the "seals" go it costs about $130 to pay for a shop to do it.
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Re: Advice for an entry suspension fork
Postby mitzikatzi » Mon May 09, 2011 10:39 am
Not for everybody Still maybe $60 in parts. Peoples skills and amount of tools vary. The same as replacing cartridge bearings not everybody is happy to do it themselves. Some people pay a LBS to change the brake pads on disc brakes or fit a new tubeThe Womble wrote:Not a home job?mitzikatzi wrote:The other thing about Air Forks is that if the "seals" go it costs about $130 to pay for a shop to do it.
I was just making the comment that it is something to thing consider. The ongoing operating cost.
I think for the occasional rider, larger rider, lower skilled rider? or someone who doesn't do there own maintance a well set up coil spring fork may be a better option then a cheap air fork.
Fox have put a lot of design into getting there forks "plush" they cost a lot more than a Tora.
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Re: Advice for an entry suspension fork
Postby zero » Mon May 09, 2011 11:41 am
No. Both types of forks are oil damped.mitzikatzi wrote:
more and air spring compresses the faster it "shoots" back/out.
Control over this is specifically down to the design of the fork. My tora dating back to the stone ages has both oil damping, and an external rebound control for setting the rebound rate on the left leg.
The setting on right leg allows you to take active control over the primary air springing rate (as thats how it achieves lockout), so I have analogue settings anywhere between locked out and fully sprung. Some designs remote that to the bars, though I have no trouble reaching it and adjusting it on the move.
No again. Seals failing is actually very rare, and both types of fork suffer from it. You let the oil out, or the dirt into your coil fork and you have a $20 boinger. As a point of reference, my air forks are over 25000 kms and 5 years old. The seals haven't failed. I'd generally expect that out of either type unless the evironment was relentlessly muddy.mitzikatzi wrote:
Not for everybody Still maybe $60 in parts. Peoples skills and amount of tools vary. The same as replacing cartridge bearings not everybody is happy to do it themselves. Some people pay a LBS to change the brake pads on disc brakes or fit a new tube
I was just making the comment that it is something to thing consider. The ongoing operating cost.
Again no, less likely to get a fork that suits the rider if its a coil out of the box. Ideally you need to order it with the right springs, which makes it hard to buy at a discount. Air fork, you'll just set the right pressure on it and its right.
I think for the occasional rider, larger rider, lower skilled rider? or someone who doesn't do there own maintance a well set up coil spring fork may be a better option then a cheap air fork.
Fox have put a lot of design into getting there forks "plush" they cost a lot more than a Tora.
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Re: Advice for an entry suspension fork
Postby mitzikatzi » Mon May 09, 2011 1:09 pm
Most manufacters have gone to a lot of trouble to make there air forks as plush as there coil forks
Air vs Coil Fork?
Air or Coil 2
Coil v air
air or coil
coil air
lots of different views. As always with forums you have to troll through a lost of not relevent posts. And yes some relevent to all mountain riding.
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Re: Advice for an entry suspension fork
Postby ozynigma » Sun May 15, 2011 7:05 pm
For that budget a new or good condition Rockshox air fork would be the way to go. Fox tends to be more expensive for the same travel and age.igstar wrote:I have a hardtail which I use occasionally to ride forest and cross-country trails - nothing too rigorous or technical. I'm finding my current RST bottoms out when I hit deeper ditches at higher speeds. Should I install stronger springs and might be better just buying another fork altogether? I want to spend upto about $200 for something used. What should I look for in that budget range?
Tora is cheapest, then Recon, both with single air chamber. If you can stretch to a good second hand Reba with dual air then you are in a whole new class of suspension.
I have bought Tora's for $200 (used) and Recon's for $330 (new).
I have some 2005 Reba U Turn forks, but they are still going strong on my son's bike and are not for sale. My point is pick some of those up in good condition second hand and you will transform your bike compared to RST's.
Just watch out, some of the Tora's are cheaper coil forks.
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Re: Advice for an entry suspension fork
Postby igstar » Tue Jun 14, 2011 9:56 am
Can't wait for a proper ride soon. Any idea anyone when You Yangs will be opening? At least the plantation section.
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Re: Advice for an entry suspension fork
Postby jheeno » Sat Jul 09, 2011 9:18 am
I've got the Tora SL Coil
you can definitely find one within your budget
There would be plenty of people out there upgrading to more expensive forks so it may be easier to come by
Would you mind second hand ?
You can probably find $500-$700 used ones for around the $200-$300 mark based on age and condition
ones I've seen for sale were serviced before being posted for sale for piece of mind
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Re: Advice for an entry suspension fork
Postby Eberbachl » Fri Aug 19, 2011 11:22 am
Sorry to the OP for deraling his thread, but I read this with interest and thought of my bike.
I have a Scott Aspen XC Hardtail, probably about 8 years old with a mix of LX and XT stuff on it. The forks are Manitou Axel Comps, which I understand at the time were an 'OK', fork - not bottom of the barrel, but basic and fairly entry level.
The Manitou's do the job I guess, but I've never been blown away by them ( a little on the pogo stick side ).
A question: Seeing as though the Rock Shox Tora Solos are selling new on eBay for $199 shipped, would they be a worthwhile cheap upgrade to my existing fork, or would I just be exchanging one entry level fork for another?
I know the bike's a bit of a dinosaur these days, but I'm not ready for a full bike upgrade for a while yet, and it's still going strong.
Thanks,
Luke.
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Re: Advice for an entry suspension fork
Postby trailgumby » Fri Aug 19, 2011 1:00 pm
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Re: Advice for an entry suspension fork
Postby Eberbachl » Fri Aug 19, 2011 3:20 pm
Cheers,
Luke.
EDIT: OK - order placed. I'll definitely report back once I've got them on the bike and let you all know how they go compared to the Manitou Axel Comps.
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