XC Brake set
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XC Brake set
Postby Baldy » Mon Jun 13, 2011 6:07 pm
I have had a bit of a look around, mostly in the Avid range and am thinking along the lines of the 2011 Elixir R or 5
Any experience with those 2 or something like them from another brand I'm keen to hear.
Would also be interested in any second hand bargins
cheers all
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Re: XC Brake set
Postby trailgumby » Mon Jun 13, 2011 6:13 pm
If you can wait a bit and the extra moolah is within your budget, I'd suggest the new 2012 XTs will be excellent. I have a set of the 2010 XTs with servo-wave actuation and they give easy genuine one-finger no-fatigue braking. Early feedback I've heard on the new model is they are even better.
On the upside with the Avids, the independant lever stroke and engagement point adjustment feature of the higher end models is pretty nice.
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Re: XC Brake set
Postby Baldy » Mon Jun 13, 2011 6:34 pm
Hmm how long till the new XT's are released ?
Yeah I like the sound of having adjustment on both but dont think my budget will stretch that far. I dont want to spend any more than 350 and will get them from my lbs[bit of winter support] So trying to figure out my options.
I want new rotors as well yeah. Is 185 overkill for XC? Just have 160 now, they seem to be the same price so I'm not sure.
I need new pads, so that led to the upgrade idea So I want to get them or at least order them this week. Rather than buy the juicy pads and have them sit in a box after I upgrade.
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Re: XC Brake set
Postby skull » Mon Jun 13, 2011 7:36 pm
I can't give you a price on the brakes alone as I got them included on a grouppo upgrade to x9
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Re: XC Brake set
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Re: XC Brake set
Postby legsrburnin » Thu Jun 16, 2011 4:47 pm
I sold them to someone else who uses them on his 29er. He'll probably get anoth 5 years out of them.
I've recently moved to Formulas R1's and I'm having a great time with them so far. Awesome stopping power.
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Re: XC Brake set
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Re: XC Brake set
Postby mitzikatzi » Thu Jun 16, 2011 6:57 pm
Your building an All Mountain bike? Then something like Shimano Saints or Avid Codes perhaps. Shimano XT always gets good comments. Lots of love for BB7's out there. How much do you have to spend?LoveB wrote:Whats a good uprgade from bb7s??
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Re: XC Brake set
Postby trailgumby » Thu Jun 16, 2011 9:25 pm
With a 120-130mm travel dually you could consider a 180mm on the front with an aggressive tyre like a Kenda Nevegal, but for XC it's probably a bit of overkill with the current name brand brakes on the market.
BB7's are great. My son had them on his old bike with XTR dual-control brake/shifters and they didn't lack for power. They were, however, a pain in the butt to set up....
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Re: XC Brake set
Postby LoveB » Thu Jun 16, 2011 9:56 pm
Are gatorbrake 6 pots overkill? I have the chance to get them for cheap. Otherwise I was looking for the codes as they are 4 piston and seem to get very good feedback.
I'm not so informed about shimano components so I'll look into them. Found afew codes for cheap though. Around 100-130 which makes me think I'm asking too much for my bb7's at 100$ lol
As for how much I have to spend I'm not sure yet. I wasnt planning on building the AM bike so if I find something I like I wouldnt mind spending. But ideally I could go for a 2nd hand one in the 100-150 range? maybe a bit more. Not really doing DH so dont need super strong ones. Just something that bites with good feedback and less fade
EDIT: im pretty sure I can get a bit more strength from these if I switch to SD7 levers. I've only got cheap shimano ones now lol
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Re: XC Brake set
Postby trailgumby » Thu Jun 16, 2011 10:17 pm
Like I said, I can pretty much faceplant at will with my XT's on 160mm rotors, and that's using only my index finger on the brake lever ... although I have taken the time to set them up on the bars properly to achieve this.
This is my old bike, but it gives you an idea. As you can see I have chosen a bar (an Easton) that has enabled me to get the brakes inward enough to have my hand comfortably positioned on the grips and the crook of the index finger fitting neatly into the little crook at the end of the lever. The brakes bite when the lever is parallel to the grip.
Set up that way I don't ever need more than one finger, leaving the other three to grip the bars and control the bike. I don't get arm pump nearly as much as I used to - I don't have to grip the bars as intensely with more fingers.
Too many bars (eg, FSA) have the fat bit extending out much too far, and getting the brakes positioned on them correctly is impossible unless you choose quite wide bars, and then you end up clipping trees (ask me how I know )
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Re: XC Brake set
Postby LoveB » Thu Jun 16, 2011 10:31 pm
Btw yeah, the bike is mostly for xc and a bit of Am. No super downhill stuff so in theory the bb7s are more than fine. I suppose it wouldnt hurt to upgrade to new brakes for a new bike lol
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Re: XC Brake set
Postby trailgumby » Thu Jun 16, 2011 10:48 pm
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Re: XC Brake set
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Re: XC Brake set
Postby LoveB » Fri Jun 17, 2011 12:46 am
Might look at codes.How much do xt's usally go for now? 2nd hands are fine
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Re: XC Brake set
Postby trailgumby » Fri Jun 17, 2011 8:36 am
I have a recently acquired set of J7's that now live on my son's bike, but haven't needed to bleed them yet so haven't looked into the particulars of what fluid they use - has ASSumed that they used the same range of DOT fluid the Hayes took.
$22 for 500ml is still very cheap compared to what local bike shops charge (as usual ) for Shimano and Magura mineral oil brake fluid.
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Re: XC Brake set
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Re: XC Brake set
Postby Baldy » Fri Jun 17, 2011 5:56 pm
I have changed my mind about upgrading the J3's right now. Going to just replace the pads and give the rear a good clean out/lube and bleed. Also get the lbs to have a go at truing the rotor. Next step would be one of those new G3 rotors to see how they run.
With the money I "save" I thought I'd go tubeless and replace my rickety CB candy pedals
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Re: XC Brake set
Postby mitzikatzi » Fri Jun 17, 2011 7:19 pm
Also c r c has Avid Juicy 3 Disc Brake - White 2011 for about $60 posted. Cheaper than buying pads, new rotor and paying someone to bleed your current brakes.
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Re: XC Brake set
Postby trailgumby » Sat Jun 18, 2011 11:53 am
Having done two tubeless conversions, I'd recommend the Bontrager rim strips over the Stan's kit, unless you're going with UST wheels (which I'd recommend ... while the tyres are tight to get on, they are much easier to air up and more secure).
@Mitzi: are those EBC pads metallic or organic?
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Re: XC Brake set
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Re: XC Brake set
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Re: XC Brake set
Postby Baldy » Sat Jun 18, 2011 6:22 pm
Oh ffs, you suck Gumby I have just started googling UST rims Ok you sob, give me the good oil on themtrailgumby wrote: Having done two tubeless conversions, I'd recommend the Bontrager rim strips over the Stan's kit, unless you're going with UST wheels (which I'd recommend ... while the tyres are tight to get on, they are much easier to air up and more secure).
Upgradeitis is an insidious disease, the moment I saw UST my first thought was......hmm my rims are pretty heavy..
Carry on with the XC brake talk. At this point if I were to upgrade it would be XT's or Elixir R's. I keep hearing good things about both.
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Re: XC Brake set
Postby mitzikatzi » Sat Jun 18, 2011 7:26 pm
SLX brakes almost get as much love as the XT's in cyber space but are much cheaper.Baldy wrote:...snip...
Carry on with the XC brake talk. At this point if I were to upgrade it would be XT's or Elixir R's. I keep hearing good things about both.
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If you already know this it may be of help to others.
Avid brakes use Auto DOT 4 or 5.1 brake fluid. Cheap and easy to source.
DOT fluid absorbs water and then doesn't work as well.
Shimano brakes use "special sauce" (mineral oil. genuine shimano oil is not cheap, some other brake oils (for some older cars) are ok but usually comes in 1 litre bottles ).
Shimano brakes are easier to bleed.
Avid brakes are often cheaper. You get everything when you buy rotors mounts etc. Shimano you have to buy each seperately.
I would love XT or SLX brakes but would most likely but AVIDs on price.
The 2012 XT stuff is out very soon or now. The New XT pedals are already for sale. The brakes can't be too much longer.
These Hygia brakes get good reviews and probably some bad ones too. (There is an Australian seller) Some models are quite low weight and cheap.
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