Panniers
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Panniers
Postby rifraf » Mon Sep 12, 2011 7:36 pm
amongst some other goodies some panniers for the front of my bike.
Having looked through a few posts, having done a search, I hope I've made a fair choice by getting
some Ortlieb Front Roller Classic Panniers (Yellow/Black to match my yellow frame).
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Their price (with the discount) was 56.66 pound or $87AU in todays exchange rate which I thought was very competitive
Just thought I'd ask for any thoughts, opinions, tips etc
My last panniers were Macpac and I found them a bitch to keep clean and not very waterproof
after their first year of use.
I thought these looked easy clean from their shiny coating and I've heard elsewhere of their waterproofness.
Do they cope ok with the fierce Aussie sunshine?
Anything I need to know to look after them properly?
Should I have asked more questions before biting the bullet?
They have already cleared customs this morning so I wouldnt be surprised if they arrive tomorrow so
that DHL delivery is something else.
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Re: Panniers
Postby trailgumby » Mon Sep 12, 2011 8:04 pm
I'd say I'd happily buy them again, but doubt I'll ever need to do so ... unless some idiot hits me again.
$87 is a great buy.
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Re: Panniers
Postby il padrone » Mon Sep 12, 2011 8:04 pm
That is an absolute bargain - very well done.rifraf wrote: I hope I've made a fair choice by getting
some Ortlieb Front Roller Classic Panniers (Yellow/Black to match my yellow frame).
http://s.this link is broken/images/ortlieb-fr ... 0-zoom.jpg
Their price (with the discount) was 56.66 pound or $87AU in todays exchange rate which I thought was very competitive
Yes.rifraf wrote:Do they cope ok with the fierce Aussie sunshine?
Not much. Keep them away from sharps and sparks. Keep an eye on the bolts on the wheel-side face and strap mounts. I had one come off and several became loose. Luckily I'd already bought a spare lower mounting bar and it had the required bolt to use.rifraf wrote:Anything I need to know to look after them properly?
No. You know you can also buy clip-on pannier pockets that you can fit to them. Not so cheap, but very worthwhile IMHO for those little odds and ends you want to have easy to access.rifraf wrote:Should I have asked more questions before biting the bullet?
Lucky you. Ready to tour !!rifraf wrote:They have already cleared customs this morning so I wouldnt be surprised if they arrive tomorrow so
that DHL delivery is something else.
"An unjustified and unethical imposition on a healthy activity."
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Re: Panniers
Postby rifraf » Mon Sep 12, 2011 8:22 pm
Nearly IPil padrone wrote: Lucky you. Ready to tour !!
I ordered a front rack on Friday as well (not wiggle) but its turned somewhat to custard.
First the website lied and there was no stock instead of the 1 it suggested it had.
Second it failed to accept my postage fee.
It had no probs accepting the price of the rack off my visa though.
After three calls to England I got someone who believed they could talk me through it.
Their bloody website ended up taking 16 pounds too much.
Despite another phone call which told me theres a supply delay of a couple of weeks
I still dont have my refund.
Its a wait and see what happens deal.
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Re: Panniers
Postby rifraf » Mon Sep 12, 2011 9:28 pm
Thanks Trailgumby,trailgumby wrote:I have the Back Rollers in Grey. They're awesome. Yes, waterproof. Tough as nails. Not worth the $400+ you'd pay locally, but well worth the $134 I paid from Wiggle.
I'd say I'd happily buy them again, but doubt I'll ever need to do so ... unless some idiot hits me again.
$87 is a great buy.
my wallet is somewhat assuaged with that knowledge and your willingness to buy them again.
I usually ask more questions before I click the buy now but I did see some positive comments
in this forum including one of Ronks which tipped the scales toward making a purchasing decision
and I've been tormenting myself over a front rack and panniers for a while now..
I've got a front flat rack suitable for carrying my camera gear but the I've not been 100% satisfied having
wondered every time I see a bike with front panniers go past.
It'll nice to have a choice me thinks.
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Re: Panniers
Postby rifraf » Tue Sep 13, 2011 12:04 pm
The wiggles came through with flying colours this time (well yellow and black anyway)
I wasnt expecting internal pockets but they have them.
Ordered very late Friday or it might have been very early Sat and they are here Tuesday morning
which is great.
Just gotta wait and see now what happens with regards to my rack.
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Panniers
Postby RonK » Tue Sep 13, 2011 7:59 pm
According to Ortlieb support, the reason for complaints about the inserts falling out is because the small size is used.
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Re: Panniers
Postby il padrone » Tue Sep 13, 2011 9:20 pm
The small inserts are designed to be used on 7mm rod racks. If you used these with a 10mm rack the rack hooks would not sit down properly, your security clips would not close on it, and pretty soon your panniers will bounce off . I have 10mm Tubus racks and eventually the insert clips have become loose in the rack hooks, eventually falling out of the rear panniers when I take them off the rack. I am using the larger inserts The bags still fit on securely, so I haven't bothered about getting new hooks at present.
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Re: Panniers
Postby lethoso » Tue Sep 13, 2011 11:11 pm
When it does wear out, I've got a spare ready to go.
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Re: Panniers
Postby rifraf » Tue Sep 13, 2011 11:26 pm
Hi Lethoso,lethoso wrote:I bought a pair of backrollers a while ago ($110 or so from PBK), the one has about 9 months of daily commuter use on it - no dramas at all, should be good for years yet.
When it does wear out, I've got a spare ready to go.
thanks for the vote of confidence in the Ortliebs
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Re: Panniers
Postby rifraf » Tue Sep 13, 2011 11:41 pm
RonK wrote:If your rack has 10mm tubes, use the large hook inserts, not the small ones.
According to Ortlieb support, the reason for complaints about the inserts falling out is because the small size is used.
Hi Guys,il padrone wrote:This does not make any sense to me
The small inserts are designed to be used on 7mm rod racks. If you used these with a 10mm rack the rack hooks would not sit down properly, your security clips would not close on it, and pretty soon your panniers will bounce off . I have 10mm Tubus racks and eventually the insert clips have become loose in the rack hooks, eventually falling out of the rear panniers when I take them off the rack. I am using the larger inserts The bags still fit on securely, so I haven't bothered about getting new hooks at present.
I'm unsure yet what the diameter of the tubing used on my yet to arrive front pannier rack.
One good point is that it is made of Reynolds 525 steel tubing - spiel from argoscycles.com:
"Introduced in 1998 Reynolds 525 took over from the legendary 531 mark.
Suitable for all frame designs. Ideal for heavy duty touring frames, commuting, ATB & Audax.
Reynolds 525 - Cold Drawn
UTS - 48 - 58 Tsi
100 - 130 Ksi
700 - 900 MPa"
Not sure what all the above waffle ( "I" posted above about UTS, Tsi, Ksi, MPa etc.) is about - I'm just going from some of your own comments in this forum with regards to steel being better material due to its easy repair (on the trail) qualities for racks.
Another good point in its favour is it has two bidon(?) mounts
After lots of head scratching and some swearing at myself I figured out how to roll the tops and close them properly.
This is great as I hadn't worked out how to close the yellow wet weather bag on my recently acquired Bob trailer and now I'll be able to do it.
After living in NZ for some years I've yet to get over my fear of getting everything drenched every time I go out so paranoia alleviated
I'll be more inclined to get out and about.
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Re: Panniers
Postby elStado » Fri Sep 16, 2011 5:28 pm
Cost me around $140 at the time after discounts etc.
Just ordered a rear rack for myself (Tubus Cosmo) so I can start using them properly on my Orbea which I am converting into a grocery shopping or loaded commuter bike for when I need to carry larger loads or don't feel like riding the fixie.
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Re: Panniers
Postby Baldy » Fri Sep 16, 2011 11:12 pm
I use the little front ones the most for general day to day stuff. Put the tube/multitool and other junk in it, with plenty of room for other stuff. The bigger rear panniers only come out when I need the room or for touring when I need them all+ a rackbag!. I constantly overload the little ones, I dont recommend it but they will hold 4 longnecks,tube,tool and assorted junk
I dont use the strap either, just clip the ends to themselves. I find it easier and very quick once you get the hang of it.
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Re: Panniers
Postby il padrone » Sat Sep 17, 2011 12:23 am
On the front, the Sportpacker Classics are a bit bigger capacity, and I prefer to have the flap-over design for a bit more versatility in packing (some things you want handy, or that are wet can be quickly stashed under the flap).Baldy wrote:I constantly overload the little ones, I dont recommend it but they will hold 4 longnecks,tube,tool and assorted junk
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Re: Panniers
Postby RonK » Sat Sep 17, 2011 8:27 am
I'm curious about this design. Apart from Rifraf , I think most would understand how a roll-top closure works, so I was not troubled about ordering my Rollers online. But I've never seen a picture of a Sportpacker with the lid open, and I've never seen one in a bike shop, so I wouldn't buy them, sight unseen.il padrone wrote:On the front, the Sportpacker Classics are a bit bigger capacity, and I prefer to have the flap-over design for a bit more versatility in packing (some things you want handy, or that are wet can be quickly stashed under the flap).
Does the bag have some kind of drawstring closure under the lid, like a rucksack Does the lid close and seal properly if the bag is not full
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Re: Panniers
Postby il padrone » Sat Sep 17, 2011 10:40 am
"An unjustified and unethical imposition on a healthy activity."
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Re: Panniers
Postby KenGS » Sat Sep 17, 2011 1:04 pm
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Re: Panniers
Postby Baldy » Sat Sep 17, 2011 5:19 pm
I cant find it but I thought I read the front roller classics have a 5kg load limit? That could be rubbish though....
All I know is when it has 4 longys, U-lock and other assorted junk things start flexing I would not tour with that kind of weight in them but just for the short trips here and there.
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Re: Panniers
Postby il padrone » Sat Sep 17, 2011 5:53 pm
Depends where you're heading and for how long (my bike on the right)Baldy wrote:I dont need anymore space though, with the panniers and a M rackbag being enough.
Yep, that'd be rubbish. I'd estimate I've carried up to about 15kgs in mine - fully loaded with food for 5-6 days. They handle it in style.Baldy wrote:I cant find it but I thought I read the front roller classics have a 5kg load limit? That could be rubbish though....
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Re: Panniers
Postby Baldy » Sat Sep 17, 2011 6:55 pm
You put 15kg in each front pannier? Even if they could take it Im not sure I would like that much weight up front.
The 5kg figure could be from anything I never weighed each pannier loaded, just the bike and all which was about 45kg[15kg bike with 3ltrs of water]
It will probably take me the rest of my life to do the amount of touring you have done already, its just a small part of my cycling addiction so this works for me now
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Re: Panniers
Postby il padrone » Sat Sep 17, 2011 7:06 pm
The real determinant anyway is the quality of your front rack. Tubular steel > aluminium.
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Re: Panniers
Postby Baldy » Sat Sep 17, 2011 8:38 pm
When they were full the front ones felt as heavy or even more than the rears,with the idea of making the front wheel do its share of the work[not my idea of course but it made sense to me].
Ok I will pull some more figures out of the mire between my ears.....
Typical ali rack rated to 22-25kg. With the Tubus cromo or SS being rated at 40kg. That is the rear. I cant remember anything about the front?
I have the sexy SS front and rear I got them for the capacity,no rust and looks. I didnt realize at the time they were roughly the same weight as the ali ones.
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Re: Panniers
Postby il padrone » Sat Sep 17, 2011 8:51 pm
I doubt that I will ever carry a load of 55kgs in luggage . I normally carry 20-25kgs, sometimes as much as 30kgs for remote tours. So the racks have an excellent safety margin.
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Re: Panniers
Postby rifraf » Sat Sep 17, 2011 9:07 pm
front pannier rack so might have an answer soon and know which inserts will be used on the Ortliebs.
Its actually for the TSR model but apparently fits fine with some different bolts and spacers.
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Re: Panniers
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