Thinking about a bent/trike
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Thinking about a bent/trike
Postby Baalzamon » Mon Oct 24, 2011 4:31 pm
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Re: Thinking about a bent/trike
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Re: Thinking about a bent/trike
Postby Baalzamon » Mon Oct 24, 2011 5:56 pm
Well I did have 14 days growth about a month ago, now it's 7hrs and growingrkelsen wrote:The real question to ask: Is your beard long enough?
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Re: Thinking about a bent/trike
Postby Nobody » Mon Oct 24, 2011 9:30 pm
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Re: Thinking about a bent/trike
Postby chuckchunder » Mon Oct 24, 2011 10:12 pm
Hi Stuart
I think you are describing what is often referred to as pedal steer.
I believe the general consensus is it is worse in direct steering trikes, but can be quite noticeable in indirect steer ones as well. What I have read is that it generally disappears after a period of riding the trike.
My experience is that when I first started riding the GTR it was not really noticeable, but I was aware of it. It did disappear after a short time. I notice though that if I am tired and ride no hands that the trike will weave. Proper pedalling ie "in circles" seems the way to stop it entirely. I know my Greenspeeds with their bushes in the steering and kingpins tend to dampen the steering and probably absorb it a bit too.
I know Craig has some new model trikes in, with direct and indirect steering, don't know if you have tried those yet?
You are welcome to have a crack on mine, maybe stop me on the path one afternoon
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Re: Thinking about a bent/trike
Postby John Lewis » Mon Oct 24, 2011 11:53 pm
It seems if you mash down on the pedals you get the effect you mention. Also I notice some people move their bodies side to side as they pedal. A new rider might also without noticing it move the steering in sympathy partly due to holding on too hard and not relaxing.
The trick is to keep the cadence up (around 80 or so is good), not too high a gear and try to pedal smoothly in circles so to speak. You should also try to relax you grip on the steering. Use a very light hold and keep the body still.
After a little practice you will find the pedal steer will disappear and you will wonder what all the fuss was about. I know both Helen and I had the problem to begin with but now I would have to work to produce it.
John
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Re: Thinking about a bent/trike
Postby bradwoodbr » Tue Oct 25, 2011 3:04 pm
+1chuckchunder wrote: Hi Stuart
..... Proper pedalling ie "in circles" seems the way to stop it entirely.....
You should take Glen up on his offer. He is the Guru of Trike here in WA.
Is pedal steer more noticeable with larger rear wheels compared to smaller rear wheels?
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Re: Thinking about a bent/trike
Postby Baalzamon » Tue Oct 25, 2011 4:49 pm
I am intending too, sent him a pm already. However I'm not sure when I'll be back on the bike for a commute. My back is protesting if I ride at the moment and I'm seeing someone about it tonight so might now soon. These are long term plans tho as if I was to get a trike, it would be a greenspeed. And it would be fun to see Glen on 2 wheelsbradwoodbr wrote:+1chuckchunder wrote: Hi Stuart
..... Proper pedalling ie "in circles" seems the way to stop it entirely.....
You should take Glen up on his offer. He is the Guru of Trike here in WA.
Is pedal steer more noticeable with larger rear wheels compared to smaller rear wheels?
He would get to ride my thorn and me his trike. Both rohloff equipped.
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Re: Thinking about a bent/trike
Postby TrikeTragic » Tue Oct 25, 2011 10:25 pm
Hi Baalzamon: Comment from a tricyclist from the other side of the sandpit.....My experience with 1st time trikers is that the pedal steer is related to the shoulder and arm compensation to the front wheel that is just natural when you're riding a conventional upright bike. If you consciously relax (to the extent of steering with the tips of your fingers) then you might find it all goes away.Baalzamon wrote: I'm kicking the rear of the trike around. Is this an issue with the trikes or tried, my riding style, or any other ideas?
In any case, welcome to three wheels - have you decided your particular steed yet?
Cheers
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Re: Thinking about a bent/trike
Postby Baalzamon » Tue Oct 25, 2011 11:13 pm
Well when I was trying them out with JustBents, I did take my hands off the steerer and it was still doing it, so it's my legs. Even took my cadence to approx 100 and still happened. But I think it is a learning curve.TrikeTragic wrote:Hi Baalzamon: Comment from a tricyclist from the other side of the sandpit.....My experience with 1st time trikers is that the pedal steer is related to the shoulder and arm compensation to the front wheel that is just natural when you're riding a conventional upright bike. If you consciously relax (to the extent of steering with the tips of your fingers) then you might find it all goes away.Baalzamon wrote: I'm kicking the rear of the trike around. Is this an issue with the trikes or tried, my riding style, or any other ideas?
In any case, welcome to three wheels - have you decided your particular steed yet?
Cheers
Alan
Particular steed is a Greenspeed most likely. Possibly a GTO would be my ultimate trike with a rohloff hub, but may opt for a GT3 or similar.
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Re: Thinking about a bent/trike
Postby Baalzamon » Fri Oct 28, 2011 12:02 am
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Re: Thinking about a bent/trike
Postby Baalzamon » Sun Oct 30, 2011 12:41 am
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Re: Thinking about a bent/trike
Postby Kalgrm » Sun Oct 30, 2011 1:07 am
Bikes are faster, trikes are more fun.
Trikes are better for very long-distance touring (only just) because at the end of the day, you've brought your lounge chair with you for the camp ... (and you can't fall sideways when going so slowly that walking up the hill is quicker. )
Trikes often have two differing wheel sizes (so you cary more tubes) and you have 50% more chance of getting a puncture.
Trikes brake better than any other pedal-powered vehicle: they have two front brakes.
Bacchettas sit as high as cars and are very visible on the road. No flag required.
Both beat headwinds. Neither can climb a gutter on your commute though.
Cheers,
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Re: Thinking about a bent/trike
Postby Baalzamon » Sun Oct 30, 2011 1:25 pm
Bachetta for commuting/Audax and Sat/Sun rides
Trike for touring as well as the odd commute and Audax. Would still keep my Thorn for rough tracks etc
Problem, I have bikes I need to get rid of 1st
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Re: Thinking about a bent/trike
Postby Joeblake » Mon Oct 31, 2011 2:53 pm
With the pedal flicking, I've had it on all my 'bents, but it's really noticeable on the SWB bike. I don't find it a problem, because although the bike "flicks" from side to side, it generally keeps going the direction I'm wanting to go. I suspect it goes with the 'bent turf, but unlike the beard, it doesn't seem to be optional.
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Re: Thinking about a bent/trike
Postby Baalzamon » Mon Oct 31, 2011 3:23 pm
I'm 183cm about 110kg, got an email back from flyingfurniture today which had the bent I was thinking of and a possible trike candidate as well. Looking at the Bachetta Giro 26" and the cattrike speed along with the greenspeed GT3Joeblake wrote:If you want to compare 'bent bike vs 'bent trike, if you're up in my area, drop round for a chat. I've got a SWB Greenspeed bike as well as two Greenspeed trikes, 20"/26" and 16" wheels all the way round. As long as you're 175-178 cm and under 100 kg. (Bear in mind both trikes have got e-motors and batteries, so they're much heavier than normal.)
With the pedal flicking, I've had it on all my 'bents, but it's really noticeable on the SWB bike. I don't find it a problem, because although the bike "flicks" from side to side, it generally keeps going the direction I'm wanting to go. I suspect it goes with the 'bent turf, but unlike the beard, it doesn't seem to be optional.
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Re: Thinking about a bent/trike
Postby Joeblake » Mon Oct 31, 2011 3:37 pm
But if feel you'd like to have a look and ask questions, by all means. I've got a GT3.
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Re: Thinking about a bent/trike
Postby Baalzamon » Mon Oct 31, 2011 9:55 pm
Hey JohnJohn Lewis wrote:G'day Stuart,
It seems if you mash down on the pedals you get the effect you mention. Also I notice some people move their bodies side to side as they pedal. A new rider might also without noticing it move the steering in sympathy partly due to holding on too hard and not relaxing.
The trick is to keep the cadence up (around 80 or so is good), not too high a gear and try to pedal smoothly in circles so to speak. You should also try to relax you grip on the steering. Use a very light hold and keep the body still.
After a little practice you will find the pedal steer will disappear and you will wonder what all the fuss was about. I know both Helen and I had the problem to begin with but now I would have to work to produce it.
John
Giving you heads up, I might be down that way in a few weeks time for one weekend. Heading down with Clubagreenie so he can get his Bont's sorted out at Passmore cycles, so if you want we can catch up and show clubagreenie what the bent fuss is all about
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Re: Thinking about a bent/trike
Postby chuckchunder » Mon Oct 31, 2011 11:33 pm
another advantage of a touring trike is that you can ride off the bitumen without worrying about the lip or the gravel on the shoulder, and the bow wave of passing trucks has absolutely no effect, so you just get to enjoy the pull after they pass.........Kalgrm wrote:All depends on what you're trying to achieve.
Bikes are faster, trikes are more fun.
Trikes are better for very long-distance touring (only just) because at the end of the day, you've brought your lounge chair with you for the camp ... (and you can't fall sideways when going so slowly that walking up the hill is quicker. )
Trikes often have two differing wheel sizes (so you cary more tubes) and you have 50% more chance of getting a puncture.
Trikes brake better than any other pedal-powered vehicle: they have two front brakes.
Bacchettas sit as high as cars and are very visible on the road. No flag required.
Both beat headwinds. Neither can climb a gutter on your commute though.
Cheers,
Graeme
i regularly ride up and down kerbs on my commute. you can't do this on a GT3 though, they don't have the ground clearance. the Road might be better than a Speed - Road has three wheels in common 406 size, lots more tyre options compared to the Speed's 451 rear and 349 fronts. Road also has an inch more clearance. I notice the GT3 actually has more clearance than the Speed....... the first thing I did when test riding a GT3 was ride off a kerb outside the shop (something I'd done minutes before on my GTR) and grounded the damn thing
after nearly ten years I still feel like a ten year old on a go-kart every time I ride the trike....
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Re: Thinking about a bent/trike
Postby John Lewis » Tue Nov 01, 2011 12:55 am
Think you have my phone No. If not I'll pm.Baalzamon wrote: Hey John
Giving you heads up, I might be down that way in a few weeks time for one weekend. Heading down with Clubagreenie so he can get his Bont's sorted out at Passmore cycles, so if you want we can catch up and show clubagreenie what the bent fuss is all about
Give us a call when you get here and we can arrange to meet up.
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Re: Thinking about a bent/trike
Postby Joeblake » Tue Nov 01, 2011 12:58 am
With the GRT 20"/26" riding over a kerb (down) isn't a great problem, but obviously you can't "bunny hop" up it.
Joe
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Re: Thinking about a bent/trike
Postby Baalzamon » Tue Nov 01, 2011 10:55 am
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Re: Thinking about a bent/trike
Postby Kalgrm » Tue Nov 01, 2011 12:09 pm
Cheers,
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Re: Thinking about a bent/trike
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