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Postby winona_rider » Thu Mar 06, 2008 8:30 pm
so i have got the tyres and the cement and got the old singles off. but there's lots of old cement still stuck to the inside of the rim. do i need to remove that? and if so - how? (i tried a light rub with a kitchen scourer - but that !! BAN ME NOW FOR SWEARING !! is stuck there well and good!)
aside...am i crazy? should i just sell the tyres and rims and get clinchers? (it's just gonna be a recovery ride/second commuter kinda bike)
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Postby mikesbytes » Thu Mar 06, 2008 8:41 pm
For environmental reasons, post the wheels to me and I will ensure that they don't end up as land fill.
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Postby singletracking » Thu Mar 06, 2008 9:57 pm
You fool!
But really - singles are the single (ha!) most high-maintenance bicycle component you could even own. No question.
However, it's always good to have a crack at things. Once. I did and I'll happily say that I don't think I'd do it again, but it was good to try.
All the manuals say that you should leave some of the old glue on the rims, However, I'd say not to if you have shellac on there and you plan to glue the new tyres with road cement.
If you are an artisan and have about 6 weeks to glue your tyres with shellac, use shellac. if not, use road glue.
So, if it's road glue on the rim, make sure it's a reasonably even cover. If the glue is all globby, it's likely that you might even feel some of those globs when riding along, so it's best to try and rub it back to an even cover or remove at altogether.
Then follow the Park Tool instructions. They have the full process documented there.
My only advice is to find some robust gloves - disposable latex gloves are not tough enough and tear if you get glue on them... Do your glueing somewhere where it doesn't matter if you get some globs on the floor. That glue is a real pain to clean off the kitchen tiles (I was living in a 1BR apartment at the time I had my tubular experience...).
You should be able to get some pretty cheap road tubs for about $30 each if you sniff around the right places.
Good luck - and while you're at it - tell us more about this bike!
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Postby Bnej » Thu Mar 06, 2008 9:59 pm
Keep them but don't get caught out on a long ride with them!
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Postby tallywhacker » Thu Mar 06, 2008 10:05 pm
Personally, unless these rims are going on a track bike or your race bike I would stick with clinchers. Hard to repair a puncture in a tubular on the side of the road, the 24 hour plus wait while the glue dries is a killer
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Postby winona_rider » Thu Mar 06, 2008 10:21 pm
the rims are from the mercier - i posted more pics in the retro section...
i degreased and cleaned them up tonight. wow. they sparkle.
but i think the horror stories are waying on my mind. ugh. what to do????
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Postby Kid_Carbine » Fri Mar 07, 2008 6:43 am
If riding out of sight of home, then cary a spare tyre, ... if riding out of a major metro area, ... cary two.
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Postby mikesbytes » Fri Mar 07, 2008 12:44 pm
They may suit someone who is into old bike restoration.
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Postby winona_rider » Fri Mar 07, 2008 1:43 pm
is there a good way to test that you've installed the tyre correctly?
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Postby winona_rider » Fri Mar 07, 2008 2:09 pm
arghh...it's freaking me out!rustychisel wrote:ride it? fall off?
already fallen off my bike once cause of a flat...
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Postby rustychisel » Fri Mar 07, 2008 6:06 pm
WRT singles... there's an arcane art to replacing them mid-ride and keeping just enough glue on the rim to bond with a pre-glued replacement tyre (and a special way to roll it and store it), but it's a secret. Why? It's a secret and I don't know it because I'm not a hoary Belgian flahout (hard man) who believes in the redemptive powers of cold potato soup. Nor for that matter do I believe there is any logical reason that tubs or singles are better than clinchers or wire-ons. It simply is a pointless argument advanced by equipment !! BAN ME NOW FOR SWEARING !! and grouches. (*unless perhaps there's a reason for using them at the velodrome, which I doubt there is, but in any case then remove all references to Belgian hard men from your deductions).
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Postby winona_rider » Fri Mar 07, 2008 7:32 pm
they are not *that* pretty....
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Postby Bnej » Fri Mar 07, 2008 8:44 pm
Yeah, clinchers are so much more convenient that very few people would be well served by tubulars given the option. Basically racers who have someone following them with a spare wheel ready to go, and people who aren't going to ride outside a velodrome and want to run 160 PSI.winona_rider wrote:they are not *that* pretty....
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Postby singletracking » Fri Mar 07, 2008 9:46 pm
Chicken! Where's the fun in giving up!??winona_rider wrote:i think you have convinced me to get rid of them - that and lfully reading zinn's guide to installing them this evening. woah! what an ordeal! all that glueing and scraping and leaving over night...
they are not *that* pretty....
C'mon - they'll be a great winter project!
You're actually less likely to crash if a tub goes flat because unlike a clincher, it is solidly attached (glued) to the rim and won't roll off (unless that glue gives way, but that's another story - just glue them well!)winona_rider wrote:arghh...it's freaking me out!rustychisel wrote:ride it? fall off?
already fallen off my bike once cause of a flat...
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Postby tallywhacker » Fri Mar 07, 2008 11:26 pm
From first hand experience I can tell you that under or over inflated clinchers on the velodrome can roll off quite easily with rather painfull results. A well glued tubular won't (or shouldn't) and if for some reason it does puncture it will at least stay on the rim. They also ride so much nicer.rustychisel wrote:Nor for that matter do I believe there is any logical reason that tubs or singles are better than clinchers or wire-ons. It simply is a pointless argument advanced by equipment !! BAN ME NOW FOR SWEARING !! and grouches. (*unless perhaps there's a reason for using them at the velodrome, which I doubt there is, but in any case then remove all references to Belgian hard men from your deductions).
On the road just look what most of the pros use, you'll find more tubulars than clinchers
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Postby Kid_Carbine » Sat Mar 08, 2008 4:12 am
Nahhh, rubbish. Singles can be just fine & many people rode them to work & back for years without despair. I'm told that a practiced rider can strip a punctured tyre from the rim & have a replacement mounted, inflated & be on his way in less time than it takes to repair a flat with a wire-on.Bnej wrote:Yeah, clinchers are so much more convenient that very few people would be well served by tubulars given the option. Basically racers who have someone following them with a spare wheel ready to go, and people who aren't going to ride outside a velodrome and want to run 160 PSI.winona_rider wrote:they are not *that* pretty....
I never had the opportunity to put that one to the test but once the gold SJH is up & running & might just get to find out as it will be running singles as does my SJH. [EDIT, ...I mean, Lennie Rogers]
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Postby Bnej » Sat Mar 08, 2008 7:24 am
Really. And then only be up for another tyre at $40 or $50? Versus <$10 for a tube? Unstitch and resew the casing to repair? Loads of fun.
You are seriously arguing that a tubular tyre is more convenient for every day riding than a clincher? Because pretty much the whole bike industry thinks otherwise.
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Postby mikesbytes » Sat Mar 08, 2008 8:48 am
However he also knows how to fix punctures in singles.
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Postby Kid_Carbine » Sun Mar 09, 2008 3:42 am
Once a pre glued tyre is reinstalled on a pre glued rim & is fully inflated it does not need a 24 hour drying period if riden with a little care.tallywhacker wrote:and what about letting the glue dry for at least 24 hours or does he use sellys super glue ?
If one is racing then a complete wheel can be switched, but for road bikes [different glue] it's not such a drama as the glue is more tacky, not hard.
Road riders have installed spare singles tyres on their machines & riden off since the 1920's & managed to survive, so I can't imagine why it couldn't still be done now.
As for puncture repair, yes it's a pain, but there are those that save up a few tyres then sit down & do them all in one go. Come to think of it, I have three here that need doing.
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Postby winona_rider » Mon Mar 10, 2008 4:57 pm
would these suit the mercier if i ran a 9 speed cassette and chain?
(the rear forks are 130mm apart, the shifters are friction)
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Postby Bnej » Mon Mar 10, 2008 6:01 pm
That video is on a TDF DVD I have and I wince every time I see it, just because of how suddenly it happens, and not caused by his actions at all, just equipment failure. There was an accident last year with a tyre rolling off the rim too wasn't there?tallywhacker wrote:suppose Beloki was just damn unlucky
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