Hook turn brain teaser
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Hook turn brain teaser
Postby KenGS » Fri Nov 04, 2011 10:49 pm
I've been through the Road rules and cannot find anything definitive.
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Re: Hook turn brain teaser
Postby il padrone » Fri Nov 04, 2011 10:56 pm
"An unjustified and unethical imposition on a healthy activity."
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Re: Hook turn brain teaser
Postby David_G » Fri Nov 04, 2011 11:48 pm
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Re: Hook turn brain teaser
Postby il padrone » Sat Nov 05, 2011 12:03 am
I wouldn't bother, just do your hook turn. Rule 35 is very specificDavid_G wrote:But as a hook turn is a right turn, you played your cards well. If you do it again and PC Plod is there, ask him what he thinks of bikes doing hook turns, he or she will probably have to think about it I reckon.
Division 2 refers to conventional right-turn procedures from the centre of the road. If this is not permitted the hook turn is the alternative option made available for cyclists by this rule.Victorian Road Rules wrote:35 Optional hook turn by a bicycle rider
(1) The rider of a bicycle turning right at an intersection without a hook turn only sign, or a no hook turn by bicycles sign, may turn right at the intersection by making a right turn under Division 2 or a hook turn under this rule.
If you are stopped by PC Plod, simply ask him if he is familiar with rule 35.
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Re: Hook turn brain teaser
Postby KenGS » Sat Nov 05, 2011 7:24 am
But just in case I'll print off the relevant rules and take them with me should PC Plod stop me.
Another interesting conundrum for hook turns is that when turning into a road with no cars on it you don't pass over the sensor loop.
I come across that when I'm going down Plenty Rd and turning right at Snake Gully Rd to go to Bundoora Park. Instead of a hook turn, I turn left then do a U-turn to come back over the loop.
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Re: Hook turn brain teaser
Postby Rhubarb » Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:42 pm
Clearly the sign is meant for cars, but technically a bike is also subject to this ruling as there is no "bikes exempt" type sign under it.
Here's the google street view link:
http://maps.google.com.au/maps?q=Tank+S ... ,,0,0&z=19
You can see they even have a green bike box on the left of the white van. The No Left Turn sign is directly above the green light above the van in the photo. You may have to advance street view forward 10m to see it clearly.
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Re: Hook turn brain teaser
Postby il padrone » Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:57 pm
"An unjustified and unethical imposition on a healthy activity."
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Re: Hook turn brain teaser
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Re: Hook turn brain teaser
Postby Rhubarb » Wed Nov 16, 2011 7:52 am
The dedicated bike lane on George St shows arrows going straight ahead and when you have a green there, there is 3 lanes of traffic on your left so you can't do anything except stop there and block the bike lane while you wait.
In the left lane of George St though there is a designated green bike box painted on the road which would presumably be the best place to turn from, except for the no turn left sign. At the very least, that box acknowledges that bikes can use George St, so how do they turn left ???
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Re: Hook turn brain teaser
Postby Rhubarb » Wed Nov 16, 2011 9:53 am
I've never had any issues, its just always confused me as to what the technically correct method of turning is.
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Re: Hook turn brain teaser
Postby Rhubarb » Sun Nov 20, 2011 10:50 am
Check out the "No Entry" sign right at the start of the bikepath.
Obviously it applies to cars only but without a "bikes excepted" type sign, is it technically illegal ?
This screen shot from Google street view shows the sign partly obscured but you can see it's immediately next to the bike lane with an arrow going up painted on it.
http://maps.google.com.au/maps?q=Tank+S ... .1,,0,9.46
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Re: Hook turn brain teaser
Postby David_G » Sun Nov 20, 2011 4:08 pm
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Re: Hook turn brain teaser
Postby KenGS » Sun Nov 20, 2011 7:45 pm
What does the "Keep clear" refer to - given that they are written to be read by someone in the red zone????
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