5 biggest safety issues facing BNA members

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5 biggest safety issues facing BNA members

Postby The 2nd Womble » Fri Dec 02, 2011 9:28 am

Please list them for the first few days in point form as I can't find the polling option. I know some of you will want to debate them straight away, but lets try to keep enough focus to get this off to a healthy start.
I want us all to isolate the 5 biggest issues and then work on solutions.
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Re: 5 biggest safety issues facing BNA members

Postby sogood » Fri Dec 02, 2011 10:02 am

1) Pot holes and road debris.
2) Opening car doors.
3) Unruly moving motor vehicles.
4) Pedestrians.
5) Fellow cyclists.
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Re: 5 biggest safety issues facing BNA members

Postby biftek » Fri Dec 02, 2011 11:09 am

1) Pot holes and road debris.
2) Fellow cyclists.
3) Pedestrians.
4) biking infrastructure
5)

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Postby Ozkaban » Fri Dec 02, 2011 11:16 am

1. Almost no dedicated cycling infrastructure. Lots of (ok, some) shared road facilities, shared pedestrian facilities, but almost no *bike* facilities.
2. Aggressive/inattentive drivers such as the jerk bus driver this morning who wanted his lane plus half of the cycle lane I was in just for kicks.
3. Poorly designed and maintained infrastructure. Different from above, here I mean cycle lanes that disappear, pot holes, etc.
4. Inattentive/aggressive cyclists
5. Inattentive pedestrians.

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Re: 5 biggest safety issues facing BNA members

Postby Sam_boss260 » Fri Dec 02, 2011 11:34 am

1) Poor infrastructure / bike lane designs
2) Opening car doors.
3) Agressive / uneducated moving motor vehicles.
4) Pot holes and road debris
5)
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Re: 5 biggest safety issues facing BNA members

Postby CommuRider » Fri Dec 02, 2011 11:55 am

1. Drivers
2. Pedestrians
3. Dogs
4. Other cyclists
5. Poor cycling infrastructure
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Re: 5 biggest safety issues facing BNA members

Postby othy » Fri Dec 02, 2011 12:10 pm

1. Daily Telegraph
2. Alan Jones
3. Barry O'Farrell
4. Duncan Gay
5. People who value the opinions of the above

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Re: 5 biggest safety issues facing BNA members

Postby mikesbytes » Fri Dec 02, 2011 12:43 pm

othy wrote:1. Daily Telegraph
2. Alan Jones
3. Barry O'Farrell
4. Duncan Gay
5. People who value the opinions of the above


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I'll go with that but replace 5
1. Daily Telegraph
2. Alan Jones
3. Barry O'Farrell
4. Duncan Gay
5. Taxi's
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Re: 5 biggest safety issues facing BNA members

Postby Kenzo » Fri Dec 02, 2011 12:49 pm

Driver Attitudes
Cyclist Attitudes
Driver Education
Cyclist Education
Apparent lack of support from the enforcers of the law.

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Re: 5 biggest safety issues facing BNA members

Postby r2160 » Fri Dec 02, 2011 12:50 pm

1. Lack of driver and cyclist education and patience
2. Lack of driver and cyclist education and patience
3. Lack of driver and cyclist education and patience
4. Lack of driver and cyclist education and patience
5. Lack of driver and cyclist education and patience

We dont need dedicated cycling infrastructure with better driver and cyclist education and patience

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Re: 5 biggest safety issues facing BNA members

Postby grimbo » Fri Dec 02, 2011 12:53 pm

1) Drivers who don't indicate turns - cause of my most scary moments
2) Pot holes
3) opening car doors
4) lack of infrastructure, in particular usable (quiet/cycling specific) alternate routes to avoid major roads
5) couriers - worse than taxi drivers IMO
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5 biggest safety issues facing BNA members

Postby herzog » Fri Dec 02, 2011 12:56 pm

Texting drivers
Texting drivers
Texting drivers
Texting drivers
Texting drivers

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Re: 5 biggest safety issues facing BNA members

Postby Nobody » Fri Dec 02, 2011 1:14 pm

The car-centric culture of Australia.

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Re: 5 biggest safety issues facing BNA members

Postby Clubagreenie » Fri Dec 02, 2011 1:45 pm

1. Texting drivers
2. Mums around school zones in SUV's
3. belligerent riders on the psp
4. loose gravel
5. pot holes
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Re: 5 biggest safety issues facing BNA members

Postby sumgy » Fri Dec 02, 2011 1:48 pm

Other riders who are not used to riding in a bunch.
Other riders who half wheel me.
Bad coffee.
Getting caught short in winter while wearing bibs (those public toilets are cold)
Getting to my bunch ride and finding another rider in exactly the same Rapha kit as me.

OK not so much safety.
More dangerous.

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Re: 5 biggest safety issues facing BNA members

Postby InTheWoods » Fri Dec 02, 2011 2:16 pm

r2160 wrote:1. Lack of driver and cyclist education and patience
2. Lack of driver and cyclist education and patience
3. Lack of driver and cyclist education and patience
4. Lack of driver and cyclist education and patience
5. Lack of driver and cyclist education and patience

We dont need dedicated cycling infrastructure with better driver and cyclist education and patience

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+1

Although, dedicated infrastructure brings out "new" cyclists who would otherwise not start up. As they get more confident, they shift more onto roads. And the more cyclists on roads, the safer we all are.

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Postby uncle arthur » Fri Dec 02, 2011 3:02 pm

Ozkaban wrote:1. Almost no dedicated cycling infrastructure. Lots of (ok, some) shared road facilities, shared pedestrian facilities, but almost no *bike* facilities.
2. Aggressive/inattentive drivers such as the jerk bus driver this morning who wanted his lane plus half of the cycle lane I was in just for kicks.
3. Poorly designed and maintained infrastructure. Different from above, here I mean cycle lanes that disappear, pot holes, etc.
4. Inattentive/aggressive cyclists
5. Inattentive pedestrians.


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Re: 5 biggest safety issues facing BNA members

Postby KonaCommuter » Fri Dec 02, 2011 6:18 pm

Bike lanes that vanish just as you need them the most (Brisbane) That could be classed as poor infrastructure.
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Re: 5 biggest safety issues facing BNA members

Postby Mulger bill » Fri Dec 02, 2011 8:05 pm

1. Mobile phone use by all and sundry.
2. Taxi drivers.
3. Bike lanes full of crap.
4. Bike lanes used for parking.
5. Arrogant drivers with an overdeveloped sense of entitlement.
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Re: 5 biggest safety issues facing BNA members

Postby blossy84 » Fri Dec 02, 2011 10:37 pm

uncle arthur wrote:
Ozkaban wrote:1. Almost no dedicated cycling infrastructure. Lots of (ok, some) shared road facilities, shared pedestrian facilities, but almost no *bike* facilities.
2. Aggressive/inattentive drivers such as the jerk bus driver this morning who wanted his lane plus half of the cycle lane I was in just for kicks.
3. Poorly designed and maintained infrastructure. Different from above, here I mean cycle lanes that disappear, pot holes, etc.
4. Inattentive/aggressive cyclists
5. Inattentive pedestrians.


+1


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Re: 5 biggest safety issues facing BNA members

Postby AUbicycles » Mon Dec 05, 2011 12:11 am

1. Road obstacles and debris
2. Road Planning and available infrastructure (safety)
3. Driver Awareness
4. Cyclist Safe riding (other cyclists)
5. Public image of cycling

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Re: 5 biggest safety issues facing BNA members

Postby The 2nd Womble » Mon Dec 05, 2011 10:06 pm

Road and path debris is certainly a big one here. I am a little surprised but it is a good'n. The Brisbane City Council is beginning to look more closely at it. So they've said.
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Re: 5 biggest safety issues facing BNA members

Postby Nobody » Mon Dec 05, 2011 10:20 pm

The 2nd Womble wrote:Road and path debris is certainly a big one here. I am a little surprised but it is a good'n.
Probably rated highly due to people using 23s and high pressure, therefore making their bikes sensitive to debris or poor road surfaces.

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Re: 5 biggest safety issues facing BNA members

Postby Xplora » Mon Dec 05, 2011 10:53 pm

1. Aggressive/careless drivers
2. poor road surfaces (permanent - bad bitumen, uneven concrete, puddle forming depressions)
3. Poor road surfaces (temporary - glass, sticks)
4. Requirement to wear a helmet
5. Poor infrastructure and planning

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Re: 5 biggest safety issues facing BNA members

Postby martin_12 » Wed Dec 07, 2011 1:47 pm

1. Aggressive/careless drivers. The main dangers are passing too close, passing in a roundabout or other places where road narrows and opening car doors without looking.
2. Poor road surfaces: potholes, glass, debris, particularly in marked bike lanes.
3. Poor infrastructure and planning, particularly: bike lanes in car door zones & bike lanes that vanish at roundabouts and other places where road narrows, and highly inadequate public transport.
4. Mandatory helmet laws which reduce the number of cyclists & hence increase the danger from motor vehicle drivers.
5. Shock jocks, & Daily Telegraph and all who implicitly or explicitly incite motor vehicle drivers to be aggressive towards cyclists.

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