cyclist mows down pedestrian getting off tram in Melb
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Re: cyclist mows down pedestrian getting off tram in Melb
Postby KonaCommuter » Tue Dec 06, 2011 7:59 pm
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Re: cyclist mows down pedestrian getting off tram in Melb
Postby il padrone » Tue Dec 06, 2011 8:08 pm
"An unjustified and unethical imposition on a healthy activity."
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Re: cyclist mows down pedestrian getting off tram in Melb
Postby Xplora » Tue Dec 06, 2011 9:02 pm
Ultimately, the elderly lady needed to watch just as much the cyclist should have been careful riding past. It takes two to tango, even if one is responsible for everything on the dancefloor.
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Re: cyclist mows down pedestrian getting off tram in Melb
Postby jules21 » Tue Dec 06, 2011 9:12 pm
i feel like that muslim guy who thinks after every terrorist attack.. "please don't let it be a muslim.. please don't let it be a muslim.."Xplora wrote:Lady Cyclist... I'm not getting the impression this was a hulking brute thundering past the tram.
imagine the coverage if the rider was covered in lycra..
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Re: cyclist mows down pedestrian getting off tram in Melb
Postby DavidS » Wed Dec 07, 2011 12:57 am
This is a tragedy but we all need to be careful around tram stops. I used to drive trams and the biggest issue is cars and bikes passing stationary trams, at stops, with the doors open. It happens all the time and anyone who passes a tram at a stop when the doors are open should be fined heavily. It was only a couple of years ago that the laws were relaxed, it used to be the case that you were not allowed to pass a stationary tram at a tram stop, didn't matter if the doors were shut and no-one was in sight. I prefered the old law, very simple and very clear.
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Re: cyclist mows down pedestrian getting off tram in Melb
Postby sogood » Wed Dec 07, 2011 9:32 am
RK wrote:And that is Wikipedia - I can write my own definition.
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Re: cyclist mows down pedestrian getting off tram in Melb
Postby grasshopper » Wed Dec 07, 2011 9:43 am
Only in the media. No change here.zero wrote:The provocative headline has been changed as well.
Police media release wrote:It is believed that a female pedestrian stepped onto the road to catch an approaching tram when she was struck by a cyclist.
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Re: cyclist mows down pedestrian getting off tram in Melb
Postby Percrime » Wed Dec 07, 2011 9:46 am
Not saying thats what happened... not saying its necessary an excuse. But its good for a couple of near misses a month.. or annoying stops for a tram you would have been past,,, and a comment on brains directed at the ped. its good for a few hundred injuries to peds by cars a year. Hardly ever bad because no one is going that fast and even the stupidest motorists and cyclists expect someone to step out. I,ve never hit one but I have stopped a foot away from em plenty of times.. often not even getting a glance.
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Re: cyclist mows down pedestrian getting off tram in Melb
Postby whale » Wed Dec 07, 2011 10:06 am
No , I suppose all the people who catch trams should be driving cars . Idiotic
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Re: cyclist mows down pedestrian getting off tram in Melb
Postby jules21 » Wed Dec 07, 2011 10:10 am
the australian road rule (163) actually says:Percrime wrote:You dont have to stop until the tram is stopped.
i'd be careful about interpreting that in the way you have. it's possible that the tram is stopping when it starts slowing down.(1) A driver must comply with this rule if:
(a) the driver is driving behind the rear of a tram travelling in the same direction as the driver; and
(b) the tram stops at a tram stop, except at the far left side of the road;
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in any case, it only applies if you are behind the tram. although it's a bit unclear when that applies, it certainly doesn't if you are alongside or in front of it.
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Re: cyclist mows down pedestrian getting off tram in Melb
Postby jules21 » Wed Dec 07, 2011 10:11 am
let others be the judge of the quality of your postswhale wrote:No , I suppose all the people who catch trams should be driving cars . IdioticOxford wrote:the ped' was an older woman, so its not hard to imagine that even a slow speed collision has the potential to cause significant injuries. I'm just glad we do not have trams to contend with in Brisbane.
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Re: cyclist mows down pedestrian getting off tram in Melb
Postby Percrime » Wed Dec 07, 2011 10:29 am
WTH does that mean? CLearly I am talking about when the rider is beside the tram.. if the tram starts slowing you don't have to. (Yes given all the other caveats about due care) If you are beside it and it stops then you have to stop. At some point its nearly stopped.. you aint getting past it before it stops and you need to stop too. BUT just because the tram starts to brake and a tram stop is there does not mean the person alongside has to brake. THats how I and every one else in Melbourne and Bendigo interprets the law. Problem?jules21 wrote:the australian road rule (163) actually says:Percrime wrote:You dont have to stop until the tram is stopped.i'd be careful about interpreting that in the way you have. it's possible that the tram is stopping when it starts slowing down.(1) A driver must comply with this rule if:
(a) the driver is driving behind the rear of a tram travelling in the same direction as the driver; and
(b) the tram stops at a tram stop, except at the far left side of the road;
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in any case, it only applies if you are behind the tram. although it's a bit unclear when that applies, it certainly doesn't if you are alongside or in front of it.
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Re: cyclist mows down pedestrian getting off tram in Melb
Postby jules21 » Wed Dec 07, 2011 11:05 am
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Re: cyclist mows down pedestrian getting off tram in Melb
Postby Kenzo » Wed Dec 07, 2011 11:53 am
Beached as bro..jules21 wrote:let others be the judge of the quality of your postswhale wrote:No , I suppose all the people who catch trams should be driving cars . IdioticOxford wrote:the ped' was an older woman, so its not hard to imagine that even a slow speed collision has the potential to cause significant injuries. I'm just glad we do not have trams to contend with in Brisbane.
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Re: cyclist mows down pedestrian getting off tram in Melb
Postby whale » Wed Dec 07, 2011 12:51 pm
let others be the judge of the quality of your posts[/quote]
Beached as bro..[/quote]
Sorry Oxford , I may have mis interpreted your post .
As for your fanboy defenders , I did'nt realise you had to post acres of drivel to have a voice
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Re: cyclist mows down pedestrian getting off tram in Melb
Postby Percrime » Wed Dec 07, 2011 1:17 pm
Nah.. I just couldnt see the connection. We all know that peds step out for trams. Those of us in Melb know why its an issue, usually annoying and not dangerous but.... we can see a way that accident could arise where the (woman) cyclist was not at fault.jules21 wrote:easy tiger. i was talking about if you were behind the tram.
Especially perhaps those of us who pretty often overtake trams. who also understand that being just behind a tram.. with the many cars desperate to overtake it is a bloody dangerous place to be. Probably the most dangerous place to be.. it makes being outside a private school at 9:am look not so bad. In front of a tram when cars are all stuck behind it unable to overtake because of parked cars is actually a really safe place to be, especially for cyclists who can average tram speeds or above. So fastish cyclists do want to get around trams where they can. So do cars trucks and motorcycles for that matter, but it is easier on a bicycle.
Which is not to say that that is what happened.. but that's where I was going
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Re: cyclist mows down pedestrian getting off tram in Melb
Postby jules21 » Wed Dec 07, 2011 1:23 pm
i just take the lane there - leave them no ability to squeeze past.Percrime wrote:Especially perhaps those of us who pretty often overtake trams. who also understand that being just behind a tram.. with the many cars desperate to overtake it is a bloody dangerous place to be.
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Re: cyclist mows down pedestrian getting off tram in Melb
Postby Kenzo » Wed Dec 07, 2011 1:31 pm
Nah you don't have to post heaps.. you just need to post something relevant, interesting.. importantly though, it should be coherent.whale wrote:Sorry Oxford , I may have mis interpreted your post .
As for your fanboy defenders , I did'nt realise you had to post acres of drivel to have a voice
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Re: cyclist mows down pedestrian getting off tram in Melb
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Re: cyclist mows down pedestrian getting off tram in Melb
Postby trailgumby » Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:33 pm
... and relevant.Kenzo wrote:Nah you don't have to post heaps.. you just need to post something relevant, interesting.. importantly though, it should be coherent.whale wrote:Sorry Oxford , I may have mis interpreted your post .
As for your fanboy defenders , I did'nt realise you had to post acres of drivel to have a voice
Sorry, mr whale, we're having trouble making the logical leap between Oxford commenting on how seemingly low impact levels can have disproportionate consequences for the elderly, and your comment sarcastically proposing that tram users should be in cars instead.
Care to enlighten us? 'Cos we're not gettin' it.
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Re: cyclist mows down pedestrian getting off tram in Melb
Postby KonaCommuter » Mon Dec 12, 2011 7:51 pm
PEOPLE are being injured or killed because they are distracted by texting or talking on mobile phones while crossing roads.
And no one knows how bad the problem is because there are no official figures.
Police, paramedics and pedestrian groups believe using mobile devices while walking can be almost as dangerous as using a phone while driving.
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Re: cyclist mows down pedestrian getting off tram in Melb
Postby Percrime » Mon Dec 12, 2011 9:50 pm
Ped goes to cross it in front of me.. texting.. changes his mind.. goes back and then changes his mind again ambles straight down the bike lane. I roll up behind him.. breath in deeply and yell "BOOO".
THe man had reflexes that could see him buried one day. His jump was a good 1.5 seconds later . I did get a laugh from the many spectators.
SO much meat wasted on so few neurons.
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