
I was entertained by Migs and his rattling gears and chain, it made me feel like i was in a bondage dungeon.

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Postby w00dsy » Sat Jan 28, 2012 1:52 pm
Postby speedhump » Sat Jan 28, 2012 4:09 pm
w00dsy wrote:I haven't ridden with anyone for months so it was fun to have a chat while riding, it took my mind of my gurgling stomach
I was entertained by Migs and his rattling gears and chain, it made me feel like i was in a bondage dungeon.
Postby norbs » Sun Jan 29, 2012 11:34 am
letmeride wrote:Didn't take long to show your true colors ; it is a social ride, you cannot tell people how fast they can go. If you keep doing that your going to be a lonely rider. Where's the fun if someone is telling a cyclist how to ride. If you can't handle the critiscim get off and walk. Just saying.
Postby wallaby » Sun Jan 29, 2012 1:18 pm
Postby norbs » Sun Jan 29, 2012 1:25 pm
wallaby wrote:norbs wrote: I have ridden with Johan before and he is not a nice person to ride with as he is one of those that like to ride off on slower people when he chooses. Before you go insinuating again i ask that you please no your facts.
Mmmmmm really??????Not in my experience! And my experience is first hand. I would say the exact opposite myself. I had a particularly bad day on my only ride with this group and he was the only one with me at the end of the ride - and I ended up learning a heap of stuff from that ride which has enabled me to do my own solo rides since then with a helluva lot more confidence and improve my riding heaps.
If someone is getting dropped at 35km/h, then that is unbelievably fast for a group that says they will welcome anyone and everyone. Unfortunately some of us newbies need the experience of a group ride in order to work out the best way to ride on roads and to learn training and riding pointers off others (as I know no one else who has ever ridden!), without feeling completely conscious of being slow pokes. I think us slower riders know we are slow, we don't need to be made to feel any worse than we already do, with holding people up. Just my two cents worth.
I hope the group can sort this out as I am hoping to be heading out again once I get a free Saturday morning!!!
Postby w00dsy » Sun Jan 29, 2012 1:27 pm
letmeride wrote: I like you are going by what is written. And FYI i don't ride the social rides, i ride with my children. I have ridden with Johan before and he is not a nice person to ride with as he is one of those that like to ride off on slower people when he chooses. Before you go insinuating again i ask that you please no your facts.
Postby w00dsy » Sun Jan 29, 2012 1:34 pm
wallaby wrote:I hope the group can sort this out as I am hoping to be heading out again once I get a free Saturday morning!!!
Postby wallaby » Sun Jan 29, 2012 1:49 pm
Postby speedhump » Sun Jan 29, 2012 3:26 pm
Postby migz05 » Sun Jan 29, 2012 6:49 pm
Postby migz05 » Sun Jan 29, 2012 7:17 pm
Postby w00dsy » Sun Jan 29, 2012 10:15 pm
migz05 wrote:on that note.. ride for this Saturday anyone?
Postby damhooligan » Sun Jan 29, 2012 11:31 pm
w00dsy wrote:migz05 wrote:on that note.. ride for this Saturday anyone?
i'll be there unless i'm working.
Postby damhooligan » Mon Jan 30, 2012 1:52 am
migz05 wrote:heres my take on the situation..
I can honestly admit that i'm one of the more active members of this group and also one of the slower riders. though i do see this as a social ride, i don't want to detract from riders who like to get their heart rate up every so often. i'm not sure how other social rides work because i've never been on any other social rides before. i have been a victim of being dropped by some of the quicker guys! Who am i to tell people how they're to ride? in fact, the only thing its really done for me is help me become a better rider
. and if anything, it makes me want to come more often because if i miss a week or two then i probably know i'll have some catching up to do!
At the end of it all, i've got nothing but good things to say about this group of riders. they're great to be with especially to have a laugh with around the table at the cafe.
i'm all for welcoming people new to this group and would also say that generally we do go at an average cruising speed of around 30kph. On the rare occasion that some of the fitter guys want to push the pace a little, then i'm all for it. i'll always know that i'll regroup with them a little later on and have a good laugh around the table at the cafe!
So lets keep this growing!!
anyone and everyone is welcome!
Postby whad » Mon Jan 30, 2012 11:46 am
norbs wrote:I have ridden with Johan before and he is not a nice person to ride with as he is one of those that like to ride off on slower people when he chooses. Before you go insinuating again i ask that you please no your facts.
Postby damhooligan » Mon Jan 30, 2012 12:12 pm
whad wrote:norbs wrote:I have ridden with Johan before and he is not a nice person to ride with as he is one of those that like to ride off on slower people when he chooses. Before you go insinuating again i ask that you please no your facts.
I have only done this ride a couple of times in its early days but have ridden with Hooly for many years now. The above statment is just plain wrong. Hooly is a great person to ride with individually or in a bunch. He is aware of what is happening within the bunch especially with newer riders. This is something he taught me when I rode off on him a few times when we started riding together. He can be outspoken (he will admit that) but then he is dutch
Postby whad » Mon Jan 30, 2012 12:43 pm
damhooligan wrote:whad wrote:norbs wrote:I have ridden with Johan before and he is not a nice person to ride with as he is one of those that like to ride off on slower people when he chooses. Before you go insinuating again i ask that you please no your facts.
I have only done this ride a couple of times in its early days but have ridden with Hooly for many years now. The above statment is just plain wrong. Hooly is a great person to ride with individually or in a bunch. He is aware of what is happening within the bunch especially with newer riders. This is something he taught me when I rode off on him a few times when we started riding together. He can be outspoken (he will admit that) but then he is dutch
The following quote was not written by norbs.
I have send you a pm, wich explains it all.![]()
Yes, I am dutch, this is my excuse for eveything..
Postby theprofessor » Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:18 am
Postby damhooligan » Tue Jan 31, 2012 1:16 pm
theprofessor wrote:Yohan decided to change the route (which I am fine with) but to then start dictating what speed we all ride at is ridiculous. Since when did Yohan become King and commander?
Postby damhooligan » Tue Jan 31, 2012 1:27 pm
theprofessor wrote:Comments and suggestions:
4) Should we stick with the idea that everyone is welcome? Is it appropriate? To me we are all capable of doing 60kms at a reasonable pace. If I speak to other people who don't ride regularly they believe 60kms is ridiculously long. I know some people who can't do more than 20kms without feeling unable to walk the next day. Maybe it would be better to advertise ourselves as mid level riders and suggest that beginners while welcome could find it difficult to keep up.
5) I can't speak for anyone else, but I would like to see myself improve which I don't think is going to happen if we all go for a Sunday stroll on a Saturday morning.
6) Can we have some discussion about how members of the group treat each other and what is not acceptable behaviour and what the consequences are? Personally I don't want to ride with people that behave in a manner similar to what happened last Saturday.
7) Yohan did not pay for my drink - nor would I want him to. The question is, why would someone buy a round of drinks after throwing a tantie? Is it because they felt bad about what they did? Is it to try and win favour with others? Who knows?
Postby theprofessor » Tue Jan 31, 2012 4:17 pm
damhooligan wrote:theprofessor wrote:Comments and suggestions:
4) Should we stick with the idea that everyone is welcome? Is it appropriate? To me we are all capable of doing 60kms at a reasonable pace. If I speak to other people who don't ride regularly they believe 60kms is ridiculously long. I know some people who can't do more than 20kms without feeling unable to walk the next day. Maybe it would be better to advertise ourselves as mid level riders and suggest that beginners while welcome could find it difficult to keep up.
5) I can't speak for anyone else, but I would like to see myself improve which I don't think is going to happen if we all go for a Sunday stroll on a Saturday morning.
6) Can we have some discussion about how members of the group treat each other and what is not acceptable behaviour and what the consequences are? Personally I don't want to ride with people that behave in a manner similar to what happened last Saturday.
7) Yohan did not pay for my drink - nor would I want him to. The question is, why would someone buy a round of drinks after throwing a tantie? Is it because they felt bad about what they did? Is it to try and win favour with others? Who knows?
4) YES !!!
Simply because there is already a organised group ride leaving from hoppers crossing, that goes at a reasonable pace.
What we dont have in this region is a group ride that is open to all new riders, so they can learn/experience group rides !
5) Then mayby this group, as you would describe as mid level is not suited for you ??
i can give you the details of the other group, as I am very sure you would fit in fine, and i am very sure they wil creat oppurtunitys for you to improve.
6) We are human and make mistakes.
7) I picked up the bill for different reasons, the fact that you already payed for yours was not my choice,thats because you choose not to stay with the group,
and because you decided to take a different route.
You knew where we would turn as I explained this before we started, and because of this you arrived earlier at the coffee stop.
Postby damhooligan » Tue Jan 31, 2012 4:57 pm
theprofessor wrote: I don't think this is an isolated incident either from comments I've heard around the group.
theprofessor wrote: Johan, would you not describe us as mid level? If not, how would you describe our group to potential new members?
Postby Shmando » Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:31 pm
Postby damhooligan » Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:43 pm
Shmando wrote:The only way to overcome them is to clearly communicate the groups purpose i.e. we welcome all riders of all abilities or make it more specific as in novice to intermediate riders, average speed of 30km/h, sprints with numerous regroup points. As individuals abilities improve the purpose can be redefined or if numbers are sufficient split into a fast and slow groups. The key reason for joining a group ride is the personal contact and mid ride coffee!
Postby vman » Thu Feb 02, 2012 8:50 pm
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