Ride To-and-Fro School Incidents: Your car is not a weapon
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Ride To-and-Fro School Incidents: Your car is not a weapon
Postby CommuRider » Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:32 am
Today was the first day when we felt threatened. We were riding to school today, taking a backstreet that was parallel to the main road to the local school.
I had the folder with me with the mirror so could see this car creeping up towards us. Funnily enough she was probably like me, taking kid to school but only noticed her on the driver's seat with her sunnies on and not any potential offspring at the back.
Car is a silver grey station wagon newish model Holden, rego AH/AJ T7 HZ. Should have memorised the car rego once we got to school but don't remember the accurate plate now after having a long convo with Jr's new teacher.
She was creeping and creeping along, street is around 500m in length, full of parked cars with several give way intersections. I glanced at her several times because Jr was riding on my left but not too left to be near the car dooring zone. She nudges her car around just 1M behind Jr's wheels and that peeved me off. We ain't going to go any faster just because she was close to our wheels and she could have taken the other road (but funnily enough that gets busy with traffic full of cars dropping their offspring off) but she decided to take our normal route.
Should I have stopped in the middle of riding and told her off she was threatening the life of my son? A helmet cam would have been useful at this stage as I could have pointed to it and indicated I was recording.
Ok, we get to a give way intersection, she finally gets the hint and turns left and revs off as if she is going to go any faster in a 40km/h neighbourhood in the middle of the school run. I was watching for her car once we got to the ped crossing to the school but didn't see any grey/silver SWs.
All I can say is beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee-atch.
Anyway, haven't seen her car before in this back street. Next time, I'm using the incident template. Cars are supposed to be at least 3 seconds behind each other. Leave the car out of it, she and I are on equal terms. But with the car, she thinks she can use it as a weapon and threaten other people's lives.
I hope I don't post too much in this thread. /rant over
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Re: Ride To-and-Fro School Incidents: Your car is not a weap
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Re: Ride To-and-Fro School Incidents: Your car is not a weap
Postby wombatK » Thu Feb 16, 2012 10:38 am
ending battle in addressing it. Maybe it's worth talking to the principal and the P&C, as they
will usually get involved in safety issues of this nature. Intimidatory driving has no place
anywhere on the road, least of all near a school.
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Postby CommuRider » Thu Feb 16, 2012 10:46 am
Too many freaking cars at school causing the congestion.
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Postby jules21 » Thu Feb 16, 2012 11:48 am
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Postby Mulger bill » Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:14 pm
I bet this mum wouldn't let her kids ride to school because it's too dangerous. All the while not seeing the irony of it all.
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Postby CommuRider » Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:01 pm
I have my camera set up and ready for name and shame. And once I get the vid clips, easier to show them to the principal et al (and of course on here). Hopefully not too often.jules21 wrote:commurider, get a couple of those $10 MD80 cameras on the front and back of your bike, then name and shame. if your school has a facebook page, even better
Still shaking my head.... it is the school run, jr was in freaking school uniform with school bag. Should I get a cam for him as well or is that overkill???
MB, I did think about stopping in the middle of the road and throwing my bike on her windscreen and see how she liked being delayed a bit more...but that would probably traumatise jr more than anything....Still the possibility is there but that would defeat the purpose of this thread which is not to use vehicles/means of transport as weapons.
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Postby find_bruce » Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:10 pm
Never a particularly wise move to threaten the safety of a child whose mother is around - otherwise meek & mild suburbanites turn into supermum, deadlier than a cobra, as unstoppable as an avalanche, able to rip flesh off with a single look.
Am glad that you and jr are ok.
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Re: Ride To-and-Fro School Incidents: Your car is not a weap
Postby CommuRider » Thu Feb 16, 2012 7:20 pm
Bought a helmet-mounted GoPro, did a sign, laminated it and stapled it to a fluoro bag.
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Postby wombatK » Thu Feb 16, 2012 8:26 pm
Great idea. Might just put a few of the impatient jerks on notice, and at worst, it couldCommuRider wrote:Got creative and expensive today. Ready for tomorrow's school ride in.
Bought a helmet-mounted GoPro, did a sign, laminated it and stapled it to a fluoro bag.
help convict a lawyer like McGee who knows every other trick in the book to escape
prosecution.
Her and 99% of the rest most likely think it's too unsafe to let their kids even walk to school - without ever stoppingMulger Bill wrote: I bet this mum wouldn't let her kids ride to school because it's too dangerous. All the while not seeing the irony of it all.
to realise it's primarily the cars carting kids into the school precinct that make it unsafe.
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Postby Xplora » Thu Feb 16, 2012 8:50 pm
Naming and shaming would destroy them - social destruction is a powerful motivation for anyone. A sign saying "A?T7?? tried to kill my son, I have video proof" and sitting next to the gate for a couple weeks would certainly shake things up, because her friends would DEFINITELY know the plate. Find the kid, find the teacher, go to the principal and make it happen.
Poking your head into cars and saying "watch out for a woman driving A?T7??, she's attempted to hurt my son, be careful... the police have been notified, OK?" a week in a row... kid would be pulled from the school, no more numpty to deal with. Yay.
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Postby hotfoot » Thu Feb 16, 2012 8:59 pm
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Postby Mulger bill » Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:39 pm
Therein lies the irony of course but try making them understand it.wombatK wrote:Her and 99% of the rest most likely think it's too unsafe to let their kids even walk to school - without ever stoppingMulger Bill wrote: I bet this mum wouldn't let her kids ride to school because it's too dangerous. All the while not seeing the irony of it all.
to realise it's primarily the cars carting kids into the school precinct that make it unsafe.
Cheers
Nice move with the camera and sign Commie
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Postby CommuRider » Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:34 am
First time with the GoPro H2...BUT...I pressed the camera mode instead of the vid for this morning's run. So I wanted to upload the relatively quiet streets of my 'burb but I only have 4 photo shots. Lollypop ladies noticed the cam and a couple of drivers noticed the sign as well. I think the sign is having a better effect, and they can look at my helmet for verification.
One car housed a classmate of jr who rolled down his window and said hello as I allowed them to pass us by. The car was a Black BMW 4WD and I thought she was going to stray too close (again) then she read my sign and held back. They live closer to the school than us - it's crazy. The school run is really 550-600M max for us yet the parents still feel the need to drive them to school and join the traffic congestion esp on a beaut morn like today.
I've just calculated how much this exercise is costing me so far, and it is around $0.78c/M which isn't a bad perspective from this pov (what price safety?). The more I use the camera, the lower the eventual running cost.
No sign of SW driver who tried to run us over. Am practicing my car rego reciting skills following tips from the Video thread. Now I just need to ensure the video's running!
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Postby jules21 » Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:43 am
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Postby CommuRider » Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:56 am
I wish I didn't have to use the sign or the camera. We didn't need to use it until I felt it necessary this week. My dorky sign is giving them pause for thought which is achieving what it is meant to do. It's like reading those car bumper stickers. If they can read my sign...they're too close.jules21 wrote:obviously it's different when you're escorting kids, but my theory is that it's better not to alert drivers to the presence of a camera. i caught one smart ar5e giving me a hard time in the MM thread (the red van) and put him up on YouTube. i'm pretty certain the lesson he learnt from that was far more valuable than if he'd seen a sign on my back and held off.
In the school run, I'd rather not engage with other road users and just respect each other's rights and presence to use the road as my utmost concern is the safety of our arrival to school. I don't mind if it's just me on my commute as it's water off the duck's back. Of course, it's always nice to have an element of surprise and have MM see themselves on YouTube or receive a phone call from the cops that their moronic behaviour has been captured.
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Postby Mulger bill » Fri Feb 17, 2012 2:32 pm
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Postby CommuRider » Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:11 pm
If I get an incident, I will send council videos of a) a safe, incident-free commute b) a not-so-safe commute.
The GoPro produces clear enough video that it should be sufficient evidence in any case. Thinking about getting another one so I can have the front on the helmet, and the rear on the head mount. Going to be a heavy head!
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Postby KonaCommuter » Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:08 pm
As the OP is taking a child to school the value of deterrence far outweighs any “surprise” factor IMHO.
If aggressive drivers can see your sign warning them that you have them on camera they’d be inclined to practice caution around you but they *may* take out their frustrations on another vulnerable road user. Whereas if they get caught out by a non-sign wearing, camera toting cyclist they’ll think twice about every cyclist they meet up with forevermore. However the cyclist they do have a run in with has a bad time.
Hope that makes sense
I’d personally wear the sign whenever I was cycling with my child
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Postby KonaCommuter » Fri Feb 17, 2012 7:18 pm
CommuRider wrote:Got creative and expensive today. Ready for tomorrow's school ride in.
Bought a helmet-mounted GoPro, did a sign, laminated it and stapled it to a fluoro bag.
Wow - I’m a little slow but I just realised we have the same helmet. Although I’ll be looking at buying a new one at the LBS tomorrow.
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Postby rokwiz » Mon Feb 20, 2012 3:02 pm
It amazes me that any car driver would do this intentional, especially to a mother and child, these types have got to be named and shame as you say, good on you !
Yeh the helmet cams a great idea to record this kind of stupidity, trip journey cameras are set up in semi trailer to identify motorists doing this sort of thing also. They're a good deterent.
Personally I think everyone who holds a licence needs to be retested at least once every 5 years, seems like alot of drivers I've spoken with are NOT aware cyclist have rights on the road.
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Postby CommuRider » Mon Feb 20, 2012 3:14 pm
No incident for us this morning and it was nice to ride with Jr and see this spider web glistening with dew drops. A lot of parents miss out on spending quality time with their kids and remain oblivious to little things like this.
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Postby CommuRider » Mon Feb 20, 2012 7:39 pm
The GoPro also distorts the landscape because the street is a downhill section and it looks from the vision that it is level. The other is the issue with GoPro mounted on the helmet is the camera sits too high. Mounted at the base of my head, I don't face the same problem. The head strap mount is pretty tight. I have a cap, then the head strap with the camera, and the helmet sits above the camera.
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Re: Ride To-and-Fro School Incidents: Your car is not a weap
Postby zero » Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:44 am
if there is a car directly behind you, the rego will probably be readable.
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