New no bike sign on Sandgate Road

New no bike sign on Sandgate Road

Postby themerlin » Sat Feb 18, 2012 5:31 pm

the article implied the only issue was the barrier, I will see if I can find it
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Re: New no bike sign on Sandgate Road

Postby RonK » Sat Feb 18, 2012 6:50 pm

themerlin wrote:Article about this in the chronicle. It's the height of the barrier not the traffic that's the issue and they are going to think about it till June !

It's odd that after years the height of the barrier is suddenly a problem - has there been an incident involving a cyclist or pedestrian recently.

I cycling past this morning and saw the signs for the first time. The alternative as I see it means taking the Toombul Road exit then crossing to the right lane and making a u-turn onto the Sandgate Road on-ramp onto the other side of the overpass. It's difficult to see how crossing the overpass is any more dangerous.

Hmmmm, and the reason is - a cyclist complained that the overpass is unsafe. From the Bicycle Queensland Facebook page.

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No good news I'm afraid. We've been in conversation with Mains Roads about this for a couple of months. They have responded to a complaint by a cyclist about lack of safety on that overpass by having a safety audit which recommended the signs you have seen. So we've been asking Main Roads what the long-term solutions for this problem are, but we're yet to have an answer. Looks like that ban is there for the foreseeable future. It's a debateable question as to which is better ... merging across two lanes of Sandgate Rd traffic to ride across an overpass bridge with no shoulder, or negotiating the Toombul Rd roundabout and then the u-turn onto the onramp. Neither is a particularly good level of service for cyclists.
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Re: New no bike sign on Sandgate Road

Postby Mulger bill » Sat Feb 18, 2012 8:07 pm

Gotta love the bean counting pen pushers approach. x is bad for y so to fix this, we'll just remove Y :roll:

Oft times the solution is as bad or worse than the problem.
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Re: New no bike sign on Sandgate Road

Postby PawPaw » Sat Feb 18, 2012 8:27 pm

I'd bet my last dollar the "cyclist complaint" is part of am orchestrated PR strategy by Main Roads, in relation to complaints by less than 5 motorists, about cyclists using the overpass. In other words, pro motorist anti-cyclist bureaucratic BS. Considering the nastiest near misses I've had on the overpass have been by BCC bus drivers, I'd hazard a guess the complaints have been by the BCC bus drivers' representative union.

And I don't feel the least bit paranoid in thinking the above :D


The Chronicle article.

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New no bike sign on Sandgate Road

Postby RonK » Sat Feb 18, 2012 8:40 pm

PawPaw wrote:I hazard a guess the complaints have been by the BCC bus drivers' representative union.

Perhaps, but as it happens I know the BCC union rep because he is a rider in the peloton I have ridden in for many years.


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Re: New no bike sign on Sandgate Road

Postby lethoso » Sat Feb 18, 2012 8:46 pm

RonK wrote:a cyclist complained that the overpass is unsafe


facilities are inadequate? well you can't use them then.

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Re: New no bike sign on Sandgate Road

Postby PawPaw » Sat Feb 18, 2012 8:53 pm

OK Ron, Monday I am phoning the Chronicle and Main Roads to find out whether the cyclist complaint was singular or plural, and whether they are prepared to reveal the source of the complaint.

I am gob smacked that one cyclist's complaint could result in 3 pairs of signs, and a review that will take 5-6 months and possibly hundreds of public servant manhours to complete, considering Main Roads engineers wuold have no doubtedly devoted same when building the overpass.

I'll also broach the subject that cyclists are tax payers, just like motorists....and would Main Roads equally consider shutting down a main road for 6 months on the basis of one complaint by a pedestrian.

edit: to my mind, this action by main roads is a classic case of systematic desensitization. where a soft approach is taken (complaint by one of our own), resulting in a soft response by Main Roads (investigation into cyclist safety), but comprehensive at that (6 months), ending with (permanent banning of cyclists) after period of behavioral adaptation to alternative routes. :roll:
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Re: New no bike sign on Sandgate Road

Postby PawPaw » Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:06 pm

BTW, the idiot PR people at Main Roads don't realize how ridiculous their best angle is.
If ONE complaint from a pedestrian or cyclist can result in a 6 month closure of access to an overpass or tunnel or whatever, there must be at least 300 similar singular complaints Main Roads deserve to be flooded with about unsafe guard rails etc.
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New no bike sign on Sandgate Road

Postby themerlin » Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:42 pm

You couldn't make this stuff up.
Anyone got a cherry pick we can borrow to remove the sign. It would take main roads 6 months of planning to replace them.
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New no bike sign on Sandgate Road

Postby themerlin » Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:43 pm

I would just ignore the signs but I think that would make drivers more aggressive on the overpass.
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New no bike sign on Sandgate Road

Postby themerlin » Mon Mar 26, 2012 6:32 pm

Update
The signs are gone so bq have done a good job!
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Re: New no bike sign on Sandgate Road

Postby PawPaw » Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:31 pm

Thought I was dreaming when I drove past the overpass Sunday morning at 430am, and no signs.
Then again today, no signs.
Obviously a battle between two groups of Queen St lawyers.

but thanks to whoever called the bluff of the idiots who needed 6 mths to do a review on the guardrail height.
I can smell BS at 100 meters and that was BS.
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Re: New no bike sign on Sandgate Road

Postby beauyboy » Tue Mar 27, 2012 6:51 am

BCC give us some more bikeways fore safe travel!!!!
Upgrade the NCL now QR!!!!!!
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