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I'd have to agree - not a fan of dark-coloured kit.
I find the abuse rate from motorists goes up significantly, and it's my view this is because you're a surprise to them. Fluoro yellow (not that I'm suggesting this as a colour choice) seems to provide the least aggression from motorists.
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For comparison, the first design is included again.
I take the point on the safety and already recognised that the jersey doesn't score maximum points for visibility - though for coolness does better.
To see what it looks like, this is inversed, though I would choose the original design in a flash over this version.
(yes, I made it small on purpose)
Yes, yellow works best on the road and as influential Bruce Lee is, I will avoid the following effect.
Next Steps - early days though safety is an aspect that, if deemed important enough by a majority in light of the original design, would mean that I would then look at how the kit can be improved, while keeping as much of the style.
While I am on it, this is a very rough mockup of an option for improved visibility.
One thing I am keeping in mind is that typically a jersey is printed on the fabric in a single size that is then cut to fit different sizes from XS to 4XL. The blue stripes on the size are intended to have a fixed width (and not fill the complete side panel) but also means a bit of thought is needed for a design that works well through all sizes. Just remember however, stripes make you go faster!
I'd go the jersey in the invert colours but definitely black knicks, methinks there might be a touch of Polish team action in light blue knicks and I don't know semaphore . An extra ring of yellow as dynamictiger suggested would add some visible contrast without being over the top.
BTW, wouldn't some of the BNA script read inverted when riding?
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London Boy 29/12/2011
I personally love the line on the old one "Cycling is in my BNA"
Other than that, the predominantly black with the large rear vertical stripe gets my vote.
...& extra vote for the QR code..l love them!
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I'd like to see a slogan in there as per above.
I like the latest design top, but with original knicks
May still add my order to the list yet.
I like. Wasn't after another kit, but I'll be in for one of these.
My hamfisted suggestions would be to make the 'traffic sign' logo larger and move it to the upper back, and extend the URL across the entire width of the back pockets. Not really a fan of the added stripes; what about the thick stripe at the back but plain black on the front, maybe with the blue side stripes extended slightly further toward the front? Noting that when worn, the side stripes will be more visible than 'flat'.
Here are some variations working in some of the general feedback. The bottom one is still my preferred solution of this lot. It improves the back stripe because a match with back pockets and stripe is one of those things that could easily go wrong.
To refresh other ideas:
• yellow stripe - it could work well with the black however for visibility would need to be quite large which would dominate.
• Agree regarding the knicks, I like the more discreet black
• BNA typo direction - I need to review this. (front view, right side, jersey side and knicks typo is current up-side-down).
• "Cycling is in my BNA" - for an all black back, this could fit well between the shoulders. With a stripe down the back, placement is harder.
In the last jerseys, there was a hidden 'cycling is in my BNA' inside the collar which I would repeat. below is an idea for integration.
• URL - happy to make it bigger, though across pockets graphics tend to get scrunched up, and to factor in different widths a simple alternative would work better across all sizes.
• General note that I am looking at having blue stitching on the black - for a nice effect.
• For the URL and 'Cycling in my BNA', to consider is that for other cyclists and (let's say) spectators, when riding and hunched over the bars, details on the back pocket will be more visible that up the top - so I have included a new variation... as I write I am updating ideas.
• QR tag... sounds cool but it's a fad that doesn't really give a lot of value.
• Reflective Stripes... not to forget I will look into these - it may mean added cost however if they can be nicely integrated, would be a strong added safety advantage.
Thanks for the different design. I see what you mean - straight inverted isn't nearly as cool looking
My favourite so far is Version D. Inverted colours look heaps better with black knicks.
Version G is my next favourite. Quite like that one.
I think the lighter color will be pretty important for the overall wearability of the gear, so option D looks the goods to me, but they all look quite spiffy. Are the jerseys going to have a full length zip?
Also, the last edit of the list appears to have knocked a few off again.
Just a word of Thanks now to mikesbytes who has been keeping this rolling.
Yes - full length zippers are planned
On the diamond logo - if a car could easily recognise it, I would be a bit scared that they are too close. Like any kit really if you see a cyclist or a bunch going past - you will notice the general style and colours, maybe some bigger text though the details will be lost until you are at the coffee shop - or MAMIL decides to do the shopping without getting changed
I need to see if there is an opportunity for two print runs, I like the all-black so if Version D proves to be popular, I would then look into getting a Version A (ie. original) as a 2nd sporting version. Have to see if my supplier (who is local) will support - but could be a healthy option, and maybe some people decide they need both
actually sporting is the black jersey with blue stripes and recreational would be the inverse blue with black stripes.
i just did a mock up of the suite in yellow & black but the dam thing wont open (i saved it as the wrong file) anyway it looked great & would be much more visible then the blue on black , just a thought
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Thanks bollo - I am certain that yellow will work though, in the greater schemes of BNA, yellow is an 'accent' colour.
SCA (Safe Cycling Australia), who I supported with their design have black and yellow, and are all out for visibility.
Pricing should be average. I don't know if reflective tape is an option, though if so would have an effect on price, in any case - we are looking at a middle of the range price, so not dirt cheap, though not in the most expensive price class either.
Sorry I can't be more precise, though need to confirm, once design and specs are largely supported by the community. The good news is that there is no obligation and I will certainly present pricing before I take in orders.
Can we agree that a full length zip is a must?
London Boy 29/12/2011
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