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Re: BNA Cycling Kit Purchase (Design Now Up)

Postby Costanza » Mon Mar 12, 2012 8:13 pm

I agree withe Dave - I like the design, especially the minimalist look, but black isn't great from a visibility perspective.
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Re: BNA Cycling Kit Purchase (Design Now Up)

Postby trailgumby » Mon Mar 12, 2012 8:49 pm

I'd have to agree - not a fan of dark-coloured kit.

I find the abuse rate from motorists goes up significantly, and it's my view this is because you're a surprise to them. Fluoro yellow (not that I'm suggesting this as a colour choice) seems to provide the least aggression from motorists.
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Re: BNA Cycling Kit Purchase (Design Now Up)

Postby AUbicycles » Mon Mar 12, 2012 10:08 pm

For comparison, the first design is included again.


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I take the point on the safety and already recognised that the jersey doesn't score maximum points for visibility - though for coolness does better.

To see what it looks like, this is inversed, though I would choose the original design in a flash over this version.
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Yes, yellow works best on the road and as influential Bruce Lee is, I will avoid the following effect.

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Next Steps - early days though safety is an aspect that, if deemed important enough by a majority in light of the original design, would mean that I would then look at how the kit can be improved, while keeping as much of the style.

While I am on it, this is a very rough mockup of an option for improved visibility.

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One thing I am keeping in mind is that typically a jersey is printed on the fabric in a single size that is then cut to fit different sizes from XS to 4XL. The blue stripes on the size are intended to have a fixed width (and not fill the complete side panel) but also means a bit of thought is needed for a design that works well through all sizes. Just remember however, stripes make you go faster!
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Re: BNA Cycling Kit Purchase (Design Now Up)

Postby Mulger bill » Mon Mar 12, 2012 10:50 pm

I'd go the jersey in the invert colours but definitely black knicks, methinks there might be a touch of Polish team action in light blue knicks and I don't know semaphore :( . An extra ring of yellow as dynamictiger suggested would add some visible contrast without being over the top.

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BTW, wouldn't some of the BNA script read inverted when riding?
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BNA Cycling Kit Purchase (Design Now Up)

Postby ozdavo » Mon Mar 12, 2012 11:24 pm

I personally love the line on the old one "Cycling is in my BNA"

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Other than that, the predominantly black with the large rear vertical stripe gets my vote.

...& extra vote for the QR code..l love them!
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Re: BNA Cycling Kit Purchase (Design Now Up)

Postby MichaelB » Tue Mar 13, 2012 7:41 am

ozdavo wrote:I personally love the line on the old one "Cycling is in my BNA"

viewtopic.php?f=9&t=16447

Other than that, the predominantly black with the large rear vertical stripe gets my vote.

...& extra vote for the QR code..l love them!


I'd like to see a slogan in there as per above.

I like the latest design top, but with original knicks

May still add my order to the list yet.
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Re: BNA Cycling Kit Purchase (Design Now Up)

Postby m@ » Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:06 am

I like. Wasn't after another kit, but I'll be in for one of these.

My hamfisted suggestions would be to make the 'traffic sign' logo larger and move it to the upper back, and extend the URL across the entire width of the back pockets. Not really a fan of the added stripes; what about the thick stripe at the back but plain black on the front, maybe with the blue side stripes extended slightly further toward the front? Noting that when worn, the side stripes will be more visible than 'flat'.
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Re: BNA Cycling Kit Purchase (Design Now Up)

Postby AUbicycles » Tue Mar 13, 2012 12:04 pm

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Here are some variations working in some of the general feedback. The bottom one is still my preferred solution of this lot. It improves the back stripe because a match with back pockets and stripe is one of those things that could easily go wrong.

To refresh other ideas:
• yellow stripe - it could work well with the black however for visibility would need to be quite large which would dominate.
• Agree regarding the knicks, I like the more discreet black
• BNA typo direction - I need to review this. (front view, right side, jersey side and knicks typo is current up-side-down).
• "Cycling is in my BNA" - for an all black back, this could fit well between the shoulders. With a stripe down the back, placement is harder.
In the last jerseys, there was a hidden 'cycling is in my BNA' inside the collar which I would repeat. below is an idea for integration.
• URL - happy to make it bigger, though across pockets graphics tend to get scrunched up, and to factor in different widths a simple alternative would work better across all sizes.
• General note that I am looking at having blue stitching on the black - for a nice effect.
• For the URL and 'Cycling in my BNA', to consider is that for other cyclists and (let's say) spectators, when riding and hunched over the bars, details on the back pocket will be more visible that up the top - so I have included a new variation... as I write I am updating ideas.
• QR tag... sounds cool but it's a fad that doesn't really give a lot of value.
• Reflective Stripes... not to forget I will look into these - it may mean added cost however if they can be nicely integrated, would be a strong added safety advantage.

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Re: BNA Cycling Kit Purchase (Design Now Up)

Postby ozdavo » Tue Mar 13, 2012 3:28 pm

What about moving the rear "Traffic Logo" to the right butt cheek, where motorists are most likely to see it ;-)
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Re: BNA Cycling Kit Purchase (Design Now Up)

Postby Ozkaban » Tue Mar 13, 2012 6:44 pm

Thanks for the different design. I see what you mean - straight inverted isn't nearly as cool looking 8)

My favourite so far is Version D. Inverted colours look heaps better with black knicks.

Version G is my next favourite. Quite like that one.

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Re: BNA Cycling Kit Purchase (Design Now Up)

Postby grantw » Tue Mar 13, 2012 6:58 pm

I think the lighter color will be pretty important for the overall wearability of the gear, so option D looks the goods to me, but they all look quite spiffy. Are the jerseys going to have a full length zip?

Also, the last edit of the list appears to have knocked a few off again.
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Re: BNA Cycling Kit Purchase (Design Now Up)

Postby mikesbytes » Tue Mar 13, 2012 7:23 pm

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Re: BNA Cycling Kit Purchase (Design Now Up)

Postby AUbicycles » Wed Mar 14, 2012 12:09 pm

Just a word of Thanks now to mikesbytes who has been keeping this rolling.

Yes - full length zippers are planned

On the diamond logo - if a car could easily recognise it, I would be a bit scared that they are too close. Like any kit really if you see a cyclist or a bunch going past - you will notice the general style and colours, maybe some bigger text though the details will be lost until you are at the coffee shop - or MAMIL decides to do the shopping without getting changed :)
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Re: BNA Cycling Kit Purchase (Design Now Up)

Postby hannos » Wed Mar 14, 2012 12:15 pm

2c.

Version D is my favourite
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Re: BNA Cycling Kit Purchase (Design Now Up)

Postby alf » Wed Mar 14, 2012 12:57 pm

hannos wrote:2c.

Version D is my favourite

I agree but.... Why do I expect to see a Giant logo on it I wonder?
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Re: BNA Cycling Kit Purchase (Design Now Up)

Postby AUbicycles » Wed Mar 14, 2012 1:47 pm

I need to see if there is an opportunity for two print runs, I like the all-black so if Version D proves to be popular, I would then look into getting a Version A (ie. original) as a 2nd sporting version. Have to see if my supplier (who is local) will support - but could be a healthy option, and maybe some people decide they need both :)
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Re: BNA Cycling Kit Purchase (Design Now Up)

Postby mikesbytes » Wed Mar 14, 2012 7:51 pm

By sporting version, do you mean 'race cut' ?
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Re: BNA Cycling Kit Purchase (Design Now Up)

Postby AUbicycles » Wed Mar 14, 2012 8:13 pm

:) actually sporting is the black jersey with blue stripes and recreational would be the inverse blue with black stripes.
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Re: BNA Cycling Kit Purchase (Design Now Up)

Postby bollo » Wed Mar 14, 2012 8:48 pm

i like E , what if the BNA text was in yellow ? might stand out more or make it a 3 colour get up
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Re: BNA Cycling Kit Purchase (Design Now Up)

Postby bollo » Wed Mar 14, 2012 9:15 pm

i just did a mock up of the suite in yellow & black but the dam thing wont open (i saved it as the wrong file) anyway it looked great & would be much more visible then the blue on black , just a thought :D
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Re: BNA Cycling Kit Purchase (Design Now Up)

Postby AUbicycles » Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:25 pm

Thanks bollo - I am certain that yellow will work though, in the greater schemes of BNA, yellow is an 'accent' colour.

SCA (Safe Cycling Australia), who I supported with their design have black and yellow, and are all out for visibility.
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BNA Cycling Kit Purchase (Design Now Up)

Postby Giant Pete » Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:26 pm

blokeinamoke wrote:Added jersey and cap, depends on design and cost but interested in purchasing
Jersey
Male
XXXXL - v17l (1)
XXXL - dynamictiger (2), Old and Rusty (1)
XXL - Panda1971(2), the grid (1), Phill_B_34 (1), gabrielle260 (1), lump_a_charcoal (1)
XL -ozdavo(1),TimW(1) Costanza (1)CostanzaEvolution (1), blokeinamoke (1)
L - Ozkaban(1), mikesbytes(1), zephy(1), Gunlock(1), speciallezed(1), Nico(1), Giant Pete (1)
M - Hannos (1), reags (1), redcorpsjames (1), Skull (1), London Boy (1) Richard.L (1), wilier rider(1) grantw(1), dino1969(1)
S - Mustang (1)

Female
XL -
L -
M - jet-ski(1)
S - Skull (1)
XS -

Knicks
Male
XXXL - v17l (1)
XXL - dynamictiger (1),
XL - panda1971(2)
L - mikesbytes(1),ozdavo(1),ozkaban(1), zephy(1), Gunlock(1), speciallezed(1), Nico(1), Costanza, Giant Pete(1)
M - Skull (1), London Boy (1) Richard.L (1), wilier rider (1), dino1969 (1)
S - Mustang (1)

Female
XL -
L -
M - jet-ski(1), Skull (1)
S -
XS -

Socks
47 - gabrielle260 (2), lump_a_charcoal (2)
46 - dynamictiger (1)
45 - Skull (1), v17l (2)
44 - London Boy (2)
43 - mikesbytes(2) panda1971(2) zephy(1) grantw(2)
42 - Mustang (2)
41 -
40 - Skull (1)
39 -
38 -
37 -

Caps
One size - Skull (1),Mulger bill (1),ozdavo(1), dino1969 (1), blokeinamoke (1)



Have added jersey, knicks and socks.
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BNA Cycling Kit Purchase (Design Now Up)

Postby Giant Pete » Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:27 pm

Ideas on pricing?
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Re: BNA Cycling Kit Purchase (Design Now Up)

Postby AUbicycles » Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:36 pm

Pricing should be average. I don't know if reflective tape is an option, though if so would have an effect on price, in any case - we are looking at a middle of the range price, so not dirt cheap, though not in the most expensive price class either.

Sorry I can't be more precise, though need to confirm, once design and specs are largely supported by the community. The good news is that there is no obligation and I will certainly present pricing before I take in orders.
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Re: BNA Cycling Kit Purchase (Design Now Up)

Postby Mulger bill » Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:50 pm

Can we agree that a full length zip is a must?
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