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Postby jap-sai » Sun Apr 01, 2012 3:54 pm
I'm only relatively new to cycling, but only 2 weeks after getting my first road bike, I ended up having a nasty collision with a car going through this roundabout. Drivers excuse was 'sorry I didn't see you mate', luckily I escaped without serious injury, but could well have been alot worse. Got a nasty gash middle of my left leg around the shin area, aswell as a grazed left hand & bruised left wrist from cushioning the fall. It happened around midday on a monday (very sunny day), I was heading up Kedron Brook Road & turning right onto Days Road, when I got the shock of my life when glancing to my left & seeing a car flying towards me, I took the roundabout with a decent amount of speed whilst holding out my right hand indicating but obviously the driver was not paying too much attention &/or thinking he could sneak through before me, I hit the drivers side of his car around the back door area.
Anyway, a scary, horrible thing to happen, but I have certainly learnt a valuable lesson from it. Looking back (happened a few weeks ago now), I was definetly too confident & too naive about cycling on the roads as I am relatively new to cycling. I will be staying well clear from busy roundabouts for some time or until I regain my confidence again. Only wish I had been wearing a helmet cam, so I could have taken some action against the young, male driver of the vechicle.
Would be interested to hear if anyong else has had any similar problems with this roundabout...
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Postby Max » Sun Apr 01, 2012 7:12 pm
I've had one instance of being cut off whilst on that roundabout. But I had a pretty good idea he was going to do it and was ready to brake/swerve. I make a point of giving traffic on the left hand side the "dirty eyeball". My unspoken message is "I know what you're thinking, so don't even try it". Most don't.
I'm glad you're ok.
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Re: SMIDSY Collision Days Rd/Kedron Brook Road Roundabout GR
Postby ekib » Sun Apr 01, 2012 7:41 pm
glad you are ok and recovered from the SMIDSY.
I ride through this roundabout 2-3 times per week. I ride it exactly as Max does. Generally go slow into the roundabout, watching carefully the car on the left. Always assume that they may not see you!
As a general question, how should we as cyclists deal with "minor" collisions with motorists?
Should we be videoing every ride?
Should every incident be referred to the police?
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Postby trailgumby » Sun Apr 01, 2012 7:46 pm
Dd you call the police? SMIDSY is an admission of failing to keep a proper lookout.
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Re: SMIDSY Collision Days Rd/Kedron Brook Road Roundabout GR
Postby PawPaw » Sun Apr 01, 2012 7:50 pm
My view is to dominate the lane when turning right into Days Rd, and be 100% sure cars approaching the roundabout are slowing appropriately to GIVE you right of way. Don't CLAIM right of way, expecting that after the fact, drivers see you and agree that you have it.
Meanwhile, google what % of Australian adults have vision problems, let alone what % know the overriding rule relating to roundabout use.
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Re: SMIDSY Collision Days Rd/Kedron Brook Road Roundabout GR
Postby jap-sai » Sun Apr 01, 2012 8:22 pm
I wasn't aware of that jurisdiction. It happened so quickly, the driver pulled over & his first words were SMIDSY, after picking my bike up of the ground i felt fine (just shaken), so I just asked him,, 'did you not see me' , 'I was indicating', I was really angry, so I just gave him a nasty look of [hope you feel really guilty] & I finally said in a slightly sarcastic manner 'i'm alright, so no harm done'. After he took of & I had to get my chain back on as it had come off, I then noticed the gash on my shin was quite swollen (sticking out about a cm or so), initial thoughts were, I better get that checked out right away, but by the time I got home the swelling had subsided, luckily as if there was a problem, I had no details of who had hit me.trailgumby wrote:With the gash, that's an injury and incidents involving an injury require police to be present at the scene under most if not all State jurisdictions.
Dd you call the police? SMIDSY is an admission of failing to keep a proper lookout.
lesson learned.
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Postby sumgy » Sun Apr 01, 2012 8:29 pm
Your next step is to contact a solicitor (PM me if you want the name of one).
You also need to go over all of your gear and list the damage.
The driver's insurance company will need to replace all damaged items (yes, even if they are not a write off you are entitled to have them replaced).
If you were on a carbon fibre bike, do NOT ride it again.
It needs to be replaced.
Do NOT accept the suggestion by the insurance company that it could maybe be repaired either.
I took the stance with them that I would not accept this unless they provided a written guarantee that it would not fail and that if it did they would meet my costs.
Trust me, I have just been through it and had my frame, fork, seatpost, saddle, bar tape and tyres all replaced by the driver's insurer.
Just read your latest post.
Ignore what i have said.
You have screwed yourself.
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Postby PawPaw » Sun Apr 01, 2012 8:40 pm
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Postby jap-sai » Mon Apr 02, 2012 8:55 am
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Postby sumgy » Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:10 am
Sorry jap-sai.jap-sai wrote:Thanks for replys & advice, interesting to know that this roundabout is too be approached with caution, if I ever get the courage to do so again...!
It is not just this roundabout.
ALL roundabouts should be approached with caution.
Actually IMO ALL intersections should be approached with caution and at all times while you are riding you should NEVER assume that you have been seen or that the driver will stop/giveway to you.
Also you need to brush up on the rules as it seems from your post that you are a little unsure about what you should be doing and what should happen in the event that you do have an accident.
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Re: SMIDSY Collision Days Rd/Kedron Brook Road Roundabout GR
Postby jap-sai » Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:23 am
Oh yeah, I totally understand that, i am ever so cautious now, since the incident. I watched plenty of youtube videos of cyclists wearing head-cams & pointing out all the incidents that they encounter during there commutes, so I'm of the understanding now of how things are for cyclists...
Also next time, if there is a next time, I will make sure to contact the police & everything like that.
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Postby Sydguy » Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:33 am
All three instances I still marvel that I was not hit, two of them were so close that I still can't work out how I cleared the bonnet, I'd unclipped and was ready for some flying through the air.
First time down to being a beginner, second time I was a bit unwell and not thinking the third time the numpty acknowledged me but thought cars went first.
Hope you jump back on the bike and don't let it play on your mind too much. I would report it to the Police, but either way if could of been a LOT worse.
Best of luck,
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Postby jap-sai » Mon Apr 02, 2012 11:11 am
So he dwells on both sides to give a good perspective on it.
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Re: SMIDSY Collision Days Rd/Kedron Brook Road Roundabout GR
Postby beauyboy » Mon Apr 02, 2012 5:40 pm
I hope your wounds heal quickly and while you may not feel like it. GET BACK ON THE HORSE. Ride through that round about that you got hit on. You have to break that fear.
Also have you complainted to council about that roundabout? They may be able to do something in which vehicles have to slow down a bit more. Also contact your local counciller as they may help in pushing the issue (yes I know council elections are a month away.
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Postby jap-sai » Mon Apr 02, 2012 6:16 pm
Thanks for the advice.beauyboy wrote:I have to say I agree with the other guys. Approach every roundabout with the through a car may not giveway to you and be prepared to pullup while on the roundabout. I have also been hit on a roundabout with the SMIDSY excuse so now I watch cars like a hawk and being prepared to pull up has saved me from going over the bonnet a couple of times now.
I hope your wounds heal quickly and while you may not feel like it. GET BACK ON THE HORSE. Ride through that round about that you got hit on. You have to break that fear.
Also have you complainted to council about that roundabout? They may be able to do something in which vehicles have to slow down a bit more. Also contact your local counciller as they may help in pushing the issue (yes I know council elections are a month away.
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Eventually I will use the roundabout again when the confidence comes back.!
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Postby Comedian » Mon Apr 02, 2012 7:03 pm
I personally don't believe SMIDSY is real - it's just the best people can come up with at short notice after they have run you over. If it ever happens to me and there is so much as a scratch on me I'll be dialling the cops (if I'm with it ) .
It's a terrible shame this has happened to you just after you've started commuting. If you want message me and I'm happy to meet you and give you some tips/talk about alternate routes around that area.
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Postby jap-sai » Tue Apr 03, 2012 9:43 am
yep its a wild roundabout. thanks for the offer, if I find myself in need of some advice I'll be in touch!!!
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Postby jap-sai » Sat Apr 07, 2012 6:17 pm
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Postby Comedian » Sat Apr 07, 2012 6:48 pm
Great news mate. Generally most slow speed traffic is OK as long as you look out for yourself first and don't rely on people giving way as they should.jap-sai wrote:Ok, so yesterday I went through the roundabout, no problems, traffic was quiet, one car gave way to me, I made good eye contact with the driver & wasn't a problem. I also went through it again today, again traffic was quite, so was nice & easy. I'll continue to use it now, probably just avoid it during peak hour. I've realised that making good eye contact is really reassuring & gives me alot more confidence. I was way too blasé in the beginning, being a newbie to communting, thinking cars really looked out for cyclists. Anyways great to have my confidence back.!!!!
It annoys me - but I don't care as I know driving is making them fat, poor, and most likely very bad for their health. Their loss.
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Postby jap-sai » Sat Apr 07, 2012 7:36 pm
Thanks ComedianComedian wrote:Great news mate. Generally most slow speed traffic is OK as long as you look out for yourself first and don't rely on people giving way as they should.jap-sai wrote:Ok, so yesterday I went through the roundabout, no problems, traffic was quiet, one car gave way to me, I made good eye contact with the driver & wasn't a problem. I also went through it again today, again traffic was quite, so was nice & easy. I'll continue to use it now, probably just avoid it during peak hour. I've realised that making good eye contact is really reassuring & gives me alot more confidence. I was way too blasé in the beginning, being a newbie to communting, thinking cars really looked out for cyclists. Anyways great to have my confidence back.!!!!
It annoys me - but I don't care as I know driving is making them fat, poor, and most likely very bad for their health. Their loss.
yes very true.!
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Postby PawPaw » Sat Apr 07, 2012 9:48 pm
But many cyclists including me have had drivers and pedestrians not follow APPARENT eye contact with appropriate action.
By all means use eye contact as one indicator of a driver's intent, but confirm also the vehicle is slowing appropriately, FOR YOU.
Further, don't get caught out by another vehicle or cyclist on the outside of the one you are eyeballing, who doesn't give way.
I cannot emphasize enough, that the road rules will NOT keep you safe.
Your own vigilance, indeed hypervigilance is paramount.
There are too many gotchas when on a bike.
I'd suggest you spend some time shadowing other commuters, who are not in a hurry, and ride within the road rules.
Motorists are more likely to see two of you than one.
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Postby sumgy » Mon Apr 09, 2012 12:25 pm
Yep,PawPaw wrote: I cannot emphasize enough, that the road rules will NOT keep you safe.
Your own vigilance, indeed hypervigilance is paramount.
Infinity times agreement with this.
YOU are the only person who will keep YOU safe out there.
No amount of Air Zounds or video camera's will do it.
Watch the cars, watch every side street, watch every pedestrian and when you think that they are aware of you, back off a bit in case they aren't.
My last crash had me thinking that the driver had seen me.
They did EVERYTHING to indicate that they had.
Right up until they accelerated through the Give Way sign and T-boned me.
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Postby RonK » Mon Apr 09, 2012 1:05 pm
Yes, if you drive a car, or ride a moto in particular, you can take a defensive driving course. I would argue that many of the techniques taught at these courses are highly relevant to cyclists, but I can't recall ever seeing such a course offered for cyclists.sumgy wrote:YOU are the only person who will keep YOU safe out there.
No amount of Air Zounds or video camera's will do it.
Watch the cars, watch every side street, watch every pedestrian and when you think that they are aware of you, back off a bit in case they aren't.
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Re: SMIDSY Collision Days Rd/Kedron Brook Road Roundabout GR
Postby PawPaw » Mon Apr 09, 2012 1:18 pm
I think an advanced defensive bicycle riding course would be an excellent thing.RonK wrote:Yes, if you drive a car, or ride a moto in particular, you can take a defensive driving course. I would argue that many of the techniques taught at these courses are highly relevant to cyclists, but I can't recall ever seeing such a course offered for cyclists.
Trouble is, most riders don't until after an accident. Besides, most would rather spend the money on bling than fitness and skill.
I hope I am still learning bike stuff in 20 years; with body intact.
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Re: SMIDSY Collision Days Rd/Kedron Brook Road Roundabout GR
Postby spirro » Mon Oct 28, 2013 3:02 pm
Sorry for raising an old thread. Can I ask what route you take to avoid that roundabout?Oxford wrote:I changed my route to avoid that roundabout when I was cycle commuting. KB Road and the Days Rd roundabout are probably close to the worse sections of the route I used to ride. the worse section did eventually claim me, but it was unavoidable or the alternatives were as bad.
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