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Re: Roubaix
Postby Uncle Just » Mon Apr 09, 2012 6:04 pm
I agree Fabian would have been good to see after this non event. A gift of a race for a guy in super form. Ballan and Pozzato after being at the kill last week did not want to chase, on from what I've read, are somewhat spurious grounds. Hushvod was never in this race and is not in peak winning form. So I'm screaming at the tv for someone, anyone to chase the Quickstep duo. You don't allow the red hot favourite a gap of even 5 seconds. Do these guys want to race? I know Fabian does. As for Sky, don't they talk? They had four guys but allowed Terpstra to break their rhythm. Forget Rabo they were pretenders. Oh dear, let's hope next year everyone prepares properly, stays healthy and it pisses down so we have a real race.
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Re: Roubaix
Postby Nobody » Mon Apr 09, 2012 6:18 pm
Interesting. Just the fact they had it there for a really wet course (as I heard rain was predicted) shows they are serious about the trying to sell more disc brake road/CX bikes in the future.toolonglegs wrote:Laughed at Cannondale with the disc equiped bike on the team car .
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Postby toolonglegs » Mon Apr 09, 2012 6:25 pm
Interesting that you saw it as a non event UJ... I saw it as the favorite attacking 53 km's from the finish and no one else being able to bring him back.
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Re: Roubaix
Postby CommuRider » Mon Apr 09, 2012 6:30 pm
Why are disc-braked bikes verboten? Would make sense. The race is testing the fitness and tech of bikes, surely disc brakes are part of the ongoing innovation in bike tech?toolonglegs wrote:They had it there for a publicity stunt for sure... As it would be illegal to use it in a road race.
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Re: Roubaix
Postby Nobody » Mon Apr 09, 2012 6:33 pm
Oh yeah. Forgot about that.toolonglegs wrote:They had it there for a publicity stunt for sure... As it would be illegal to use it in a road race!.
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Postby toolonglegs » Mon Apr 09, 2012 6:42 pm
Everything else aside... UCI controls what constitutes a road bike... At the moment discs are not allowed. But I think that the UCI have also stated that no manufacturers had asked as of the start of the season for any to be considered either.CommuRider wrote:Why are disc-braked bikes verboten? Would make sense. The race is testing the fitness and tech of bikes, surely disc brakes are part of the ongoing innovation in bike tech?toolonglegs wrote:They had it there for a publicity stunt for sure... As it would be illegal to use it in a road race.
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Re: Roubaix
Postby CommuRider » Mon Apr 09, 2012 6:48 pm
Anyway, hope Boonen goes for a 5th.
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Re: Roubaix
Postby Uncle Just » Mon Apr 09, 2012 7:41 pm
All academic now but I much prefer close racing. PR has a history of the lone break succeeding but when the two Italians rued their tactics last week a bit of collusion and cooperation would have helped their cause. You would stick to his wheel like glue surely. Let's hope the Ardennes classics give some tight racing.
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Postby RonK » Mon Apr 09, 2012 8:16 pm
Sky gave been revealed as a team divided - there are far too many stars and not enough workers.
With Hushovdt apparently out of form it wasn't going to be payday for BMC.
None of the teams/riders were ever real prospects.
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Postby RonK » Mon Apr 09, 2012 8:25 pm
There are issues such as the risk of serious injury in the event of a mass pile-up. If a paper hand could slash Hushovdt's arm, imagine what damage a brake disc might do.Nobody wrote:Expect SRAM to ask UCI to consider soon.
And would the teams use them anyway? Imagine trying to do a quick wheel change, disc pads won't line up, peleoton is riding away. Can't see it happening any time soon.
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Re: Roubaix
Postby Parrott » Mon Apr 09, 2012 8:42 pm
-The rupture must not present any shattered or broken off elements, or any sharp or serrated surfaces that could harm the user, other riders and/or third parties.
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Re: Roubaix
Postby Nobody » Mon Apr 09, 2012 8:45 pm
You are probably right. At this stage I could only see them being used in wet races of PR anyway. The right setup should have an advantage in mountain descents for modulation, especially in the wet. But I can't see anyone wanting to haul them around with the aero disadvantage. Time will tell.RonK wrote:There are issues such as the risk of serious injury in the event of a mass pile-up. If a paper hand could slash Hushovdt's arm, imagine what damage a brake disc might do.Nobody wrote:Expect SRAM to ask UCI to consider soon.
And would the teams use them anyway? Imagine trying to do a quick wheel change, disc pads won't line up, peleoton is riding away. Can't see it happening any time soon.
As for safety, discs have the potential risk of guillotining and burns in crashes. But the UCI allowed them for CX, so it will be interesting to see what their judgement is. I think the manufacturers can see dollar signs in marketing discs well to encourage a large number of roadies to upgrade or buy an extra bike with discs. Since most roadies appear to have too much money anyway...
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Re: Roubaix
Postby jules21 » Mon Apr 09, 2012 9:03 pm
i'm unsure what is so dangerous about a brake disc? what about chain rings, or getting caught in the spokes of a moving wheel? there's lots of things that can hurt you.RonK wrote: here are issues such as the risk of serious injury in the event of a mass pile-up. If a paper hand could slash Hushovdt's arm, imagine what damage a brake disc might do.
it's pretty easy to fit a disc wheel - why wouldn't the pads line up? the high end disc brakes have plenty of adjustment anyway. i don't see any major impediment.RonK wrote:And would the teams use them anyway? Imagine trying to do a quick wheel change, disc pads won't line up, peleoton is riding away. Can't see it happening any time soon.
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Re: Roubaix
Postby Parrott » Mon Apr 09, 2012 9:11 pm
Good point. There appears no rational basis for much of their ruling so who knows, can't see how they can't allow them nowNobody wrote: As for safety, discs have the potential risk of guillotining and burns in crashes. But the UCI allowed them for CX, so it will be interesting to see what their judgement is. I think the manufacturers can see dollar signs in marketing discs well to encourage a large number of roadies to upgrade or buy an extra bike with discs. Since most roadies appear to have too much money anyway...
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Re: Roubaix
Postby Uncle Just » Mon Apr 09, 2012 9:13 pm
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Postby Nobody » Mon Apr 09, 2012 9:15 pm
Adding to this statement, the race teams can also shim all their discs exactly alike (if there is a difference) for easy changes. So mechanical discs should be able to swap out faster than caliper brakes as there is no caliper to release before and engage after the wheel change.jules21 wrote:it's pretty easy to fit a disc wheel - why wouldn't the pads line up? the high end disc brakes have plenty of adjustment anyway. i don't see any major impediment.RonK wrote:And would the teams use them anyway? Imagine trying to do a quick wheel change, disc pads won't line up, peleoton is riding away. Can't see it happening any time soon.
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Re: Roubaix
Postby RonK » Mon Apr 09, 2012 10:36 pm
I've yet to see a mass pile of MTBer's like we see regularly in road races and have just seen in Paris-Roubaix,Uncle Just wrote:Mtbers crash all the time. They have used discs for years in competition, how many suffer damage from discs? I think it may change as technology improves but current brake technology on the road is sufficient unless on long wet descents the pads wear prematurely.
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Re: Roubaix
Postby Uncle Just » Tue Apr 10, 2012 8:46 am
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Postby Nobody » Tue Apr 10, 2012 10:24 am
I thought SRAM were doing the hydro and Shimano were doing an improved mechanical.Uncle Just wrote:I look forward to Shimano's touted hydro road disc setup.
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Re: Roubaix
Postby Uncle Just » Wed Apr 11, 2012 9:27 am
“They were not second- but third-rate riders Boonen was up against,” said De Vlaeminck. “Take Pozzato. If you want to win then in the last hundred kilometres you shouldn’t drift one centimetre from Boonen’s wheel. … A sad affair.”
Farnese Vini sports director, Luca Scinto said, “I congratulate with Boonen, but Pozzato was a ‘bischero’ (a little bit stupid).”
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Postby toolonglegs » Wed Apr 11, 2012 3:44 pm
Wouldn't expect anything less out of his mouthUncle Just wrote: “They were not second- but third-rate riders Boonen was up against,” said De Vlaeminck. “Take Pozzato. If you want to win then in the last hundred kilometres you shouldn’t drift one centimetre from Boonen’s wheel. … A sad affair.
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Re: Roubaix
Postby Uncle Just » Wed Apr 11, 2012 4:20 pm
I'm aware of his brilliant career but what makes you say that? Is he known now as an old curmudgeon where no one is as a good as the "back in my day" type?
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Re: Roubaix
Postby toolonglegs » Wed Apr 11, 2012 4:43 pm
But yes he is rather outspoken and probably doesn't like been equaled by anyone .
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