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Re: Magic Shine

Postby il padrone » Wed Apr 11, 2012 2:56 pm

eeksll wrote:Also I found it very hard to get enough information to know exactly what I needed to do and buy to install it before parting with cash .... if you can speak german, you might do better there though.


Peter White Cycles is a good starting point.

As for the cost of setting up a dynamo light set, my bike is my transport. I considered what sort of money I'd be prepared to pay for the lighting system on my car. Then considered these lights are protecting my life. The costs reduced in significance quite a bit to me after this.

“The pain of poor quality lasts long after the joy of a cheap price”..... or to put it another way, the pain of a high price disappears quickly while you enjoy the value of high quality for a long time.
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Re: Magic Shine

Postby high_tea » Wed Apr 11, 2012 6:40 pm

il padrone wrote:
eeksll wrote:Also I found it very hard to get enough information to know exactly what I needed to do and buy to install it before parting with cash .... if you can speak german, you might do better there though.


[url=<a class="vglnk" title="Link added by VigLink" href="http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/lightingsystems.htm]Peter" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/lightingsystems.htm]Peter</a> White Cycles[/url] is a good starting point.

As for the cost of setting up a dynamo light set, my bike is my transport. I considered what sort of money I'd be prepared to pay for the lighting system on my car. Then considered these lights are protecting my life. The costs reduced in significance quite a bit to me after this.

“The pain of poor quality lasts long after the joy of a cheap price”..... or to put it another way, the pain of a high price disappears quickly while you enjoy the value of high quality for a long time.


This.

It's not that expensive either. I landed a Shimano hub (not as nice as a Schmidt, but I've used one for years, no complaints) plus front and rear B&M lights for about $200 last year. Both lights and hub have been excellent.
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Re: Magic Shine

Postby Xplora » Wed Apr 11, 2012 10:34 pm

high_tea wrote:It's not that expensive either.

The only reason it is expensive is when you try and get the premium stuff, agreed. My poor skinny legs can't give up any more watts than absolutely necessary! :lol:
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Re: Magic Shine

Postby il padrone » Wed Apr 11, 2012 10:52 pm

Xplora wrote:
high_tea wrote:It's not that expensive either.

The only reason it is expensive is when you try and get the premium stuff, agreed.

Pretty much top level dynahub set-up (with Shimano, not Schmidt) for a total cost (shipped to your door) of $A186. Really not so sure about this 'expensive' bit :?

Xplora wrote:My poor skinny legs can't give up any more watts than absolutely necessary! :lol:

I've been using a dynohub for the past 3-4 years. Believe me when I say, you will really not notice the difference - especially if you go for Schmdit, but even the Shimano dynohub is quite unnoticeable. I roll downhills just as fast as my non-dynohub mates.
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Re: Magic Shine

Postby eeksll » Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:00 pm

its the sort of thing I'd like to test out for myself, is the $200+ hub worth getting over the $40 hub. On top of that it needs to be built into the wheel further making a upgrade later on a worthwhile exercise.

But I do like the idea of the dynamo, maybe next year, this year/right now I am spending on disc brake upgrade. Although I DO need a new wheel for this, so it is actual the ideal time to do it .... since I need to spend around 130 on a wheel anyway ... not that my budget on this hasn't already been blown out ... sigh ... SIGH

il padrone wrote:Pretty much top level dynahub set-up (with Shimano, not Schmidt) for a total cost (shipped to your door) of $A186. Really not so sure about this 'expensive' bit


Any chance you can repost ... the link did not seem to work, must be linked to your cookies.
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Re: Magic Shine

Postby il padrone » Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:10 pm

Dynohub products from http://www.bike24.com

Busch + Müller Lumotec IQ Cyo Senso Plus LED Front Light 175QSNDi - 50,34 €
Busch + Müller Toplight Line Plus LED Rear Light 323ALT - 21,76 €
Shimano Deore XT DH-T780L Hub Dynamo black Number of Spoke Holes: 32 holes - 54,54 €

Total Product Value excl. VAT - 126,64 €

Shipping and Handling - 19,95 €
Total Value excl. VAT - 146,59 €
VAT included - 0,00 €


With today's exchange rate this comes out to $A186, like I said, to your door.


Some good footage of what these lights look like..... in daylight...... and after dark
(click on the smaller panels for separate sections of the video)
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKtN93BObkI&feature=player_detailpage#t=53s[/youtube]
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Re: Magic Shine

Postby eeksll » Thu Apr 12, 2012 12:24 am

thanks, I am going to need the wheel though. Ill do some quick costing on the weekend and maybe post in another thread, sorry about the hijack.
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Re: Magic Shine

Postby elStado » Thu Apr 12, 2012 12:31 am

il padrone wrote:Busch + Müller Lumotec IQ Cyo Senso Plus LED Front Light 175QSNDi - 50,34 €
Busch + Müller Toplight Line Plus LED Rear Light 323ALT - 21,76 €
Shimano Deore XT DH-T780L Hub Dynamo black Number of Spoke Holes: 32 holes - 54,54 €


This is essentially (exactly?) what came with my Vivente WR. I can say from my one week experience that it's a great setup. Only issue with dynamo lights is that they do not have a strobe feature and most of them are designed to light the path and not cause glare to other road users.. great on cycle paths at night but also reduces you visibility to motorists. Best to combine a dyno light with a cheap LED blinking light for that bit of extra notice if riding on the road at night.
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Re: Magic Shine

Postby il padrone » Thu Apr 12, 2012 12:39 am

elStado wrote:great on cycle paths at night but also reduces you visibility to motorists. Best to combine a dyno light with a cheap LED blinking light for that bit of extra notice if riding on the road at night.

Lack of visibilty is definitely not an issue with the headlight. My own observations of friends and responses to me by motorists tells me the lights are very clearly seen, especially the headlight. I do like a blinky tail-light as a secondary, but don't see a need for the front.

I've just ordered this one, to go on my rear muguard - PDW Fenderbot, just released.

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Re: Magic Shine

Postby high_tea » Thu Apr 12, 2012 7:31 pm

il padrone wrote:
Xplora wrote:
high_tea wrote:It's not that expensive either.

The only reason it is expensive is when you try and get the premium stuff, agreed.

Pretty much [url=<a class="vglnk" title="Link added by VigLink" href="http://www.bike24.com/1.php?content=9;navigation=2;menu=1000,2,98;mid=2;page=1]top" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.bike24.com/1.php?content=9;navigation=2;menu=1000,2,98;mid=2;page=1]top</a> level dynahub set-up[/url] (with Shimano, not Schmidt) for a total cost (shipped to your door) of $A186. Really not so sure about this 'expensive' bit :?

Xplora wrote:My poor skinny legs can't give up any more watts than absolutely necessary! :lol:

I've been using a dynohub for the past 3-4 years. Believe me when I say, you will really not notice the difference - especially if you go for Schmdit, but even the Shimano dynohub is quite unnoticeable. I roll downhills just as fast as my non-dynohub mates.


According to Schmidt (http://www.nabendynamo.de/produkte/SONdelux.html), the difference between their hub and a Shimano is about 4W at 30km/h. That's really not a big deal. Anyone who isn't riding full-blown race tyres and latex tubes is probably losing an order of magnitude more from their tyre choice. There are other reasons to choose them (like durability/maintainability; my first-generation Shimano hub is on bearing cone number three) but IME Shimano hubs are just fine.
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Re: Magic Shine

Postby Xplora » Thu Apr 12, 2012 8:51 pm

Premium AKA Schmidt SONdelux and matching light comes out to a VERY intense amount of cash iirc considering that the hub is just that - a hub, that needs to be put into a wheel. The overall expense of the hub, wheel build and lights really can't be overstated. I vaguely recall it was going to cost 700 bucks to redo both wheels and add the eDelux schmidt light. I would upgrade both wheels, not point trying save cash if you're putting nice stuff onto your cromoly steed. Maybe that included Pitlocks as well? You can burn a lot of cash on these things, hence why I was so pleased with my MagicShine before it had reliability issues (YAY back on topic)
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Re: Magic Shine

Postby il padrone » Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:33 pm

Xplora wrote:The overall expense of the hub, wheel build and lights really can't be overstated. I vaguely recall it was going to cost 700 bucks to redo both wheels and add the eDelux schmidt light.

You are inflating the cost of a dynohub system quite a lot.

From Starbike:

Starbike wrote:Mavic XM 719 32H. black - 47.90 €
SON 28 dynamo hub 32H silver - 199.00 €
DT Swiss Alpine III 2.34/1.8/2.0 mm incl. silver brass nipple 254 mm0.70 - 22.40 €
starbike.com wheel building service - 24.50 €
Busch & Müller Toplight Line plus rear carrier light (323ALT) - 20.90 €
Busch & Müller Lumotec IQ Cyo T senso plus (175QTSNDi) - 64.90 €

20.00 € - Shipping (insured)
- 63.80 € - less 19% VAT
335.80 € - Total sum

Nowhere near $700 for this complete dynohub wheel

$424 for the wheel and all lights. This is a top-line set as well. There are cheaper options in the headlight choice and the dynohub. Then you could also simply go for a sidewall dynamo for a much lower cost.

Xplora wrote:I would upgrade both wheels, not point trying save cash if you're putting nice stuff onto your cromoly steed. Maybe that included Pitlocks as well? You can burn a lot of cash on these things, hence why I was so pleased with my MagicShine before it had reliability issues (YAY back on topic)

Absolutely no reason to upgrade both wheels. Pitlocks are an option (not overly expensive), but the Schmidt hub already comes with a more secure hex-key skewer.

Reliability is what the Schmidt excels at 8) These lights, with senso operation and standlight for stationary moments, are a 'set and forget' lighting system. The value of high quality endures long after the pain of a higher price is gone.
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Re: Magic Shine

Postby Xplora » Fri Apr 13, 2012 9:34 am

The sondelux was a bit pricier (I've got disc brakes as well!), and once you add the second wheel it is starting to approach the 500++ mark. Like I said... it was a choice I made and I'm not dissatisfied with the direction I've taken, if 808E finally dies then I'll reconsider, especially since I've committed to keeping the Kona as a dedicated commuter, not a fast bike :lol:
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Re: Magic Shine

Postby r2160 » Tue Apr 24, 2012 12:19 pm

I have one of the original magicshine headlight sets. It has been going great, however, I have an issue with the connections.

Has anybody pulled the headlight apart to replace the wire and connector? If so, are you in sydney or do you have some info to help me figure out how to do it without hurting it?

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Re: Magic Shine

Postby Pushy » Tue Apr 24, 2012 1:21 pm

r2160 wrote:I have one of the original magicshine headlight sets. It has been going great, however, I have an issue with the connections.

Has anybody pulled the headlight apart to replace the wire and connector? If so, are you in sydney or do you have some info to help me figure out how to do it without hurting it?

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Re: Magic Shine

Postby r2160 » Tue Apr 24, 2012 2:50 pm

Perfect, thanks Les

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Re: Magic Shine

Postby ldrcycles » Tue Oct 02, 2012 10:46 am

The velcro strap on my Magic Shine copy battery pack is pretty well knackered, any tips?
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Re: Magic Shine

Postby jasonc » Tue Oct 02, 2012 11:05 am

ldrcycles wrote:The velcro strap on my Magic Shine copy battery pack is pretty well knackered, any tips?


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Re: Magic Shine

Postby Comedian » Tue Oct 02, 2012 11:09 am

I'm just about to retire mine again until next winter. Two full years of faultless operation. :)
Once you can climb hills on a bike it's all downhill. :mrgreen:

Hopefully I'll know what that's like..... one day. :shock: :lol:

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Re: Magic Shine

Postby jasonc » Tue Oct 02, 2012 11:13 am

Comedian wrote:I'm just about to retire mine again until next winter. Two full years of faultless operation. :)


mine will stay on for commuting, just in case i get stuck at work - definitely not needed on the weekend rides
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Re: Magic Shine

Postby ldrcycles » Tue Oct 02, 2012 11:26 am

jasonc wrote:
ldrcycles wrote:The velcro strap on my Magic Shine copy battery pack is pretty well knackered, any tips?


how about here


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Re: Magic Shine

Postby Comedian » Tue Oct 02, 2012 11:27 am

jasonc wrote:
Comedian wrote:I'm just about to retire mine again until next winter. Two full years of faultless operation. :)


mine will stay on for commuting, just in case i get stuck at work - definitely not needed on the weekend rides

I find the size, weight and general hassle isn't warranted for me. I put a small 2watt smart light on instead. Given its light now at 5 and not dark until 6:15 for the odd occasion I get caught outside those times the little AA light is good enough. :)

Many of the people I ride with have already switched to knog type "be seen" lights so I'm still over the top. :)
Once you can climb hills on a bike it's all downhill. :mrgreen:

Hopefully I'll know what that's like..... one day. :shock: :lol:

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Re: Magic Shine

Postby jasonc » Tue Oct 02, 2012 11:29 am

Comedian wrote:Many of the people I ride with have already switched to knog type "be seen" lights so I'm still over the top. :)


as you know everything I do is over the top! :D
500 grams commuting? who cares!
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Re: Magic Shine

Postby MattyK » Tue Oct 02, 2012 11:03 pm

Comedian wrote:I'm just about to retire mine again until next winter. Two full years of faultless operation. :)

I retired mine permanently this year after too many wiring failures (principally from plugging and unplugging the stupidly tight plugs).

Now gone cordless (Philips Saferide) and loving it.
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Re: Magic Shine

Postby warthog1 » Sat Oct 06, 2012 1:49 pm

MattyK wrote:
Comedian wrote:I'm just about to retire mine again until next winter. Two full years of faultless operation. :)

I retired mine permanently this year after too many wiring failures (principally from plugging and unplugging the stupidly tight plugs).

Now gone cordless (Philips Saferide) and loving it.


My MS is dying also. The wire is broken somewhere near the plug. Can't understand why they made the plug so tight, the wire so weak and did not include an isolation switch.
Can you give me a rough review of this light? How does it compare light wise to the MS and what is the runtime like on full and low settings?
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