Reviews of the Azzurri Di2 Forza Pro from Cycling Express

Re: Reviews of the Azzurri Di2 Forza Pro from Cycling Expres

Postby santacruzscott » Sun Apr 08, 2012 9:53 pm

Arlberg wrote:
PawPaw wrote:Some ideas to troubleshoot creaks:

Seat post
apply carbon paste, grease, or talcum powder to the seat post, and torque to spec.
grease and torque the seat post clamp.
Some have mentioned greasing the seat post quietened down the creaks. I wonder if the seat tube has not been fabricated well, and is slightly oversized, allowing excessive post movement.

Saddle
if you have another saddle, put it on and tighten it firmly, and see if that gets rid of the creak.
if it does, then put the original one back on tightening the rail fasteners firmly. As a troubleshooting step, grease the rails. (you can clean them later)
I had a creak once that came from a stress fracture that developed in the saddle base layer.
You could turn the saddle upside down and spray all suspect bits with wd40 or grease.


The creaks on my bike don't originate solely from the saddle because they also occur when I am riding out of the saddle.
On my bike at least they seem to be coming from the steerer or head tube or somewhere around there, maybe the front forks...?
It is very random, the bike can be perfectly quiet on a bumpy road one minute and then creak when the surface is perfectly smooth the next. Overall the incidence of creaking is increasing however.
I think I will get some of this carbon paste stuff and put it every surface where there is contact between two parts and see how that goes.



Grease your head set , checked mine the other day , and it had just about zero grease in it.

5 minute job , undo top cap , slacken off stem clamp bolts ,remove stem and handle bars , and drop forks down or even right out.
Carefully hang bars and stem on the cables/wires.
Clean and grease bearings etc , reverse first process.

Simple and quick process.

Have been meaning to do mine for a while , as said previously , factory built bikes always come with the bare minimum of grease.

Had the creaking seat post with mine early on as well , quick grease fixed that as well.
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Reviews of the Azzurri Di2 Forza Pro from Cycling Express

Postby ozzymac » Sun Apr 08, 2012 10:29 pm

Arlberg wrote:
The creaks on my bike don't originate solely from the saddle because they also occur when I am riding out of the saddle.
On my bike at least they seem to be coming from the steerer or head tube or somewhere around there, maybe the front forks...?
It is very random, the bike can be perfectly quiet on a bumpy road one minute and then creak when the surface is perfectly smooth the next. Overall the incidence of creaking is increasing however.
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The headset is where my creak seems to be comming from to.
And as you say, sometimes it's quiet sometimes not, I seem to notice it more on slow long hills climbs.

And the headset was suppose to have been pulled apart and regreased the other day at my not so local lbs. So one would think that would be ok?

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Re: Reviews of the Azzurri Di2 Forza Pro from Cycling Expres

Postby r6bigo » Mon Apr 09, 2012 1:41 am

If you have ticking noise, only on power down hard. It could be the tension of the back wheel.



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Re: Reviews of the Azzurri Di2 Forza Pro from Cycling Expres

Postby BobInSA » Thu Apr 12, 2012 11:35 pm

My Azzurri Di2 arrived in late January. I've just done a ride from Melbourne to Canberra (160km/day average for 7 days). There were some rough sections of road and within the ride group there were some broken wheels and a cracked frame. The Azzurri was fine. I did notice an increasing creaking noise and the gears needing constant trimming on day 2 - it turn out to be the axle nut next to the cassette bearing working loose (hence gear problem). Tightened the nut and all was fine. Did not need to recharge battery at all during the trip - battery is still showing full. I did change the original seat, because I had a better one for long distances, but I did use the original ok on 200km training rides. Still very happy with the bike - I have no plans of changing anything on it - I'll spend the money I saved on the purchase price on non cycling stuff!
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Re: Reviews of the Azzurri Di2 Forza Pro from Cycling Expres

Postby westside_steve » Fri Apr 13, 2012 6:25 pm

[quote=Still very happy with the bike - I have no plans of changing anything on it - I'll spend the money I saved on the purchase price on non cycling stuff![/quote]

Heretic!
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Re: Reviews of the Azzurri Di2 Forza Pro from Cycling Expres

Postby jasonc » Sat Apr 14, 2012 11:28 am

westside_steve wrote:[quote=Still very happy with the bike - I have no plans of changing anything on it - I'll spend the money I saved on the purchase price on non cycling stuff!


Heretic![/quote]
+1 that's almost blasphemy. wash your mouth out steve
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Re: Reviews of the Azzurri Di2 Forza Pro from Cycling Expres

Postby westside_steve » Sat Apr 14, 2012 5:19 pm

I think you mean Bob
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Re: Reviews of the Azzurri Di2 Forza Pro from Cycling Expres

Postby mezla » Sat Apr 14, 2012 7:29 pm

The more I ride mine, the happier I am with it. Sprinting up hills at 40, crawling up hills at 8, flying down hills at 70... perfect, incredibly fast gear changes every time (when you haven't screwed up your limit stops like a newb).

I'm 6'1" and 90kg, and mine runs silently, even though I mess with my seat height pretty regularly.

I'll add also that I am very pleased with the wheels. Reynolds Solitude... they roll and roll.
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Re: Reviews of the Azzurri Di2 Forza Pro from Cycling Expres

Postby spesh » Mon Apr 16, 2012 5:17 pm

Well according to the staff mine should be arriving some point this week... getting excited but there is no delivery information on their website yet :(

Reading all these posts over the past few months - what are the first things I should really check when I take delivery?

Is the seat really that bad? I am used to a Malvern Star Oppy A4 and the seat that came with that, which seems ok!

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Re: Reviews of the Azzurri Di2 Forza Pro from Cycling Expres

Postby rustychisel » Mon Apr 16, 2012 7:20 pm

Some general observations from reading this thread; in part they may appear critical, but.

You gotta know what you're dealing with, at both ends of the supplier and buyer chain...

The supplier has a duty of care to ensure the bike is properly assembled as much as possible, with correct and clear instructions, before being delivered to the buyer. Apparently their assembly and inspection protocol is lax. I know anecdotally of a riding mate who has had one a few weeks, last weekend his chain snapped. He almost dumped it, so this stuff is important, and potentially dangerous/lethal. [disclaimer: I wasn't there nor have I inspected the chain as to cause].

The purchaser has a duty to know what they're buying; either through being competent and knowledgeable about bicycles, or by engaging a competent person to assist in assembly, setting up, and diagnosis. All carbon bikes a susceptible to creaking, there can be no absolute protection against parts failure, and things happen, but there is no way on earth - NO WAY - I would ride a bike straight out of the box without doing a thorough inspection and at least a partial disassembly and buildup. If I could not do that myself I would have someone else do it for me and hopefully catch any problems before they become lethal.

I don't believe it's good enough to say 'I bought it on the internet so it should be perfect'. There is a duty of care on both sides, but I would want to trust a sophisticated machine fully before I started a 75km downhill on it. And for me that means inspection and checking followed by some moderate shakedown rides to make sure everything works properly and that I KNOW HOW TO OPERATE AND ASSESS my purchase. These are high end race bikes, some of the technology is near cutting edge, so learn, treat it right, and stay safe.

Your POV may significantly differ.
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Re: Reviews of the Azzurri Di2 Forza Pro from Cycling Expres

Postby mezla » Mon Apr 16, 2012 9:38 pm

I respect your opinion rustychisel. Mine is different... we're at different ends of the caution/paranoia scale I think.

I reckon the bike builders at Cycling Express probably put together a LOT of bikes. I don't think anyone with half a brain would employ anyone but an out and out specialist to put together a lot of bikes costing $1000s, and it seems implausible to me that CE would have done so. It would just end up losing them sales and costing them returns. They're obviously not stupid.

BUT... because they put a LOT of bikes together, I expect that sometimes something non-critical gets done imperfectly (e.g.: greasing a seat-post). There may even be some instances of something less trivial not being done sufficiently well. This is the (fair) price one pays for great prices I guess. However, I don't think it any more likely that anything dangerous would have been overlooked by CE than on any other bike build (e.g.: Pinasmello/Biwanchi built by LBS) (i.e.: snowflakes chance in hell). CE would have strict processes in place because the last thing they want with their margins is a civil suit, and/or bad press. it just would not be worth cutting corners on anything dangerous.

BTW, I've had supposedly reputable LBSs screw my bike up way worse than a creaky seat-post...
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Re: Reviews of the Azzurri Di2 Forza Pro from Cycling Expres

Postby galactictuan » Mon Apr 16, 2012 11:08 pm

I just received my Azzurri Forza Elite today (has same frame as the Forza Pro Di2)

To my surprise, the frame has this 'marble-like' finish to the frame.

Does the di2 model have the same thing.

I'm still not sure whether I like this look or not,

When I first saw it my thoughts were: "Man, they left so much grease on the frame and everything'. :D
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Reviews of the Azzurri Di2 Forza Pro from Cycling Express

Postby ozzymac » Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:23 am

galactictuan wrote:I just received my Azzurri Forza Elite today (has same frame as the Forza Pro Di2)

To my surprise, the frame has this 'marble-like' finish to the frame.

Does the di2 model have the same thing.

I'm still not sure whether I like this look or not,

When I first saw it my thoughts were: "Man, they left so much grease on the frame and everything'. :D

Hi,
Yes the di2 frame is the same.

It does sort of look like its got grease or something on it. It is easy to clean though, doesn't seem to show up the dirt that much.

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Reviews of the Azzurri Di2 Forza Pro from Cycling Express

Postby gassyndrome » Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:15 pm

Uni-directional carbon?
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Re: Reviews of the Azzurri Di2 Forza Pro from Cycling Expres

Postby raistian » Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:20 pm

galactictuan wrote:I'm still not sure whether I like this look or not


You don't like it at all and would like to give it to me :mrgreen:
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Re: Reviews of the Azzurri Di2 Forza Pro from Cycling Expres

Postby galactictuan » Thu Apr 19, 2012 11:32 am

raistian wrote:
galactictuan wrote:I'm still not sure whether I like this look or not


You don't like it at all and would like to give it to me :mrgreen:


You can have my mate's Schwinn MTB without a front wheel if you'd like.
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Re: Reviews of the Azzurri Di2 Forza Pro from Cycling Expres

Postby Ross » Thu Apr 19, 2012 1:13 pm

mezla wrote:I respect your opinion rustychisel. Mine is different... we're at different ends of the caution/paranoia scale I think.

I reckon the bike builders at Cycling Express probably put together a LOT of bikes. I don't think anyone with half a brain would employ anyone but an out and out specialist to put together a lot of bikes costing $1000s, and it seems implausible to me that CE would have done so. It would just end up losing them sales and costing them returns. They're obviously not stupid.

BUT... because they put a LOT of bikes together, I expect that sometimes something non-critical gets done imperfectly (e.g.: greasing a seat-post). There may even be some instances of something less trivial not being done sufficiently well. This is the (fair) price one pays for great prices I guess. However, I don't think it any more likely that anything dangerous would have been overlooked by CE than on any other bike build (e.g.: Pinasmello/Biwanchi built by LBS) (i.e.: snowflakes chance in hell). CE would have strict processes in place because the last thing they want with their margins is a civil suit, and/or bad press. it just would not be worth cutting corners on anything dangerous.

BTW, I've had supposedly reputable LBSs screw my bike up way worse than a creaky seat-post...


lol a bike mechanic is not a glamorous high paying job at any bike shop so not a lot of people I imagine are looking for that sort of work so CE probably just hired the first person who walked in the door that could tell the difference between a screwdriver and a spanner.
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Re: Reviews of the Azzurri Di2 Forza Pro from Cycling Expres

Postby raistian » Thu Apr 19, 2012 9:49 pm

galactictuan wrote:
raistian wrote:You can have my mate's Schwinn MTB without a front wheel if you'd like.


No thanks, it doesn't come with Di2 :)
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Re: Reviews of the Azzurri Di2 Forza Pro from Cycling Expres

Postby sparkyscott » Fri Apr 20, 2012 7:00 pm

Ross wrote:...so CE probably just hired the first person who walked in the door that could tell the difference between a screwdriver and a spanner.


You mean there's a diference??? :D
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Re: Reviews of the Azzurri Di2 Forza Pro from Cycling Expres

Postby spesh » Fri Apr 27, 2012 2:50 pm

Apparently for those, like me, who ordered for the April Shipment, they arrived in store yesterday and will be shipping out early next week :)

I personally can't wait :D
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Re: Reviews of the Azzurri Di2 Forza Pro from Cycling Expres

Postby Sharkey » Fri Apr 27, 2012 2:55 pm

I also ordered the April shipment. I just asked Sam about delivery and he replied:

They are being shipped out today, Monday and Tuesday. You should receive a dispatch notice shortly.


Yep, can't wait.
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Re: Reviews of the Azzurri Di2 Forza Pro from Cycling Expres

Postby thejester » Sun May 13, 2012 4:14 pm

if anyone is buying one of these for the groupset, I would be interested in buying a medium frame if you would care to choose that size.
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Re: Reviews of the Azzurri Di2 Forza Pro from Cycling Expres

Postby santacruzscott » Sun May 13, 2012 8:26 pm

thejester wrote:if anyone is buying one of these for the groupset, I would be interested in buying a medium frame if you would care to choose that size.


Be aware that this is a Di2 specific frame , and you won't be able to run a mechanical group set on it.
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Re: Reviews of the Azzurri Di2 Forza Pro from Cycling Expres

Postby Ross » Mon May 14, 2012 8:58 am

I notice Cell bikes are doing a cheap (slightly dearer than CE) Di2 bike now as well - http://www.cellbikes.com.au/Cell-Triump ... a-Di2-2012
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Re: Reviews of the Azzurri Di2 Forza Pro from Cycling Expres

Postby santacruzscott » Mon May 14, 2012 5:57 pm

Ross wrote:I notice Cell bikes are doing a cheap (slightly dearer than CE) Di2 bike now as well - http://www.cellbikes.com.au/Cell-Triump ... a-Di2-2012


Must say , the external wiring for the Di2 looks pretty messy.
Other than that , is very much the same spec as the Azzurri.
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