Been doored recently ? It might be your fault.
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Been doored recently ? It might be your fault.
Postby khendar » Tue May 08, 2012 10:01 am
Note the comment by the anchors at the end. Apparently SOMETIMES when a cyclist is doored, it's actually their fault...
Either that or the anchor is an idiot who doesn't understand the problem.
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Re: Been doored recently ? It might be your fault.
Postby find_bruce » Tue May 08, 2012 10:45 am
So while it's not always the driver's fault, that's because sometimes it is a passenger that opens the door.Road Safety Road Rules 2009 (Vic) wrote:269 Opening doors and getting out of a vehicle etc.
(3) A person must not cause a hazard to any person or vehicle by opening a door of a vehicle, leaving a door of a vehicle open, or getting off, or out of, a vehicle.
It is scary that three presumably licenced drivers are neither educated nor aware of the requirements of the road rules.
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Postby jules21 » Tue May 08, 2012 10:59 am
(AT) ABC news hosts - wow you're clueless.
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Postby trailgumby » Tue May 08, 2012 11:50 am
http://www.abc.net.au/contact/complain.htm
Here's mine:
I am appalled by the uninformed comments from the news anchors at the conclusion of this story:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-05-07/c ... ne/3995038
Victorian road rule 269 puts the onus squarely and unequivocally on the person opening the door to ensure that doing so does not constitute a hazard to any other person or vehicle.
"Road Safety Road Rules 2009 (Vic):
269 Opening doors and getting out of a vehicle etc.
(3) A person must not cause a hazard to any person or vehicle by opening a door of a vehicle, leaving a door of a vehicle open, or getting off, or out of, a vehicle."
In the interest of balance, I and every other cyclist would like you to counsel these two newsreaders on a correct understanding of the road rules, re-run the interview, and issue a correction to these erroneous statements.
Having been, as a cyclist, on the receiving end of deliberate driver misbehaviour that has required ambulance assistance to hospital, I am equipped to tell you this kind of misinformation has a real and adverse impact on cyclist safety through driver attitudes.
I am particularly disgusted at the inference that the safety of a vulnerable group should not be taken as seriously because of the misbehaviour of a minority within it. Try making the same kind of statement with regard to aboriginals, Jews or gays and see the storm that (justifiably) erupts.
To see this kind of out-group villification from the ABC is enormously disappointing.
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Postby il padrone » Tue May 08, 2012 11:50 am
"An unjustified and unethical imposition on a healthy activity."
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Postby jules21 » Tue May 08, 2012 11:54 am
he's not a police officer so much as a motorist who is reluctant to accept responsibility for ensuring other road users' safety. for the record, i think he's right that cyclists have an obligation to steer clear of an open door, when it's been opened for long enough to allow that. but who in their right mind would ride into a door like that? the reality is, these crashes happen when doors are opened unexpectedly into the paths of cyclists. we know that of course. these sorts of comments also hint at a reason for the frequent reluctance of police to enforce the rule. we have a long way to go, sadly.il padrone wrote:Had this discussion with the husband of a colleague...... a police officer. Most disturbing to hear a serving police officer argue that often it is not the driver/passenger's fault if a cyclist hits an opened car door He was trying to suggest that cyclists are required to keep clear, once a car door has been opened. Pretty dodgy hair-splitting to my way of thinking.
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Re: Been doored recently ? It might be your fault.
Postby Mapomatic » Tue May 08, 2012 12:12 pm
Also, this is why I refuse to travel anywhere near a car door. I'd rather cop uninformed abuse from motorists than to have to pick my teeth up off the road after a wearing a car door to the face.
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Postby trailgumby » Tue May 08, 2012 12:22 pm
Hope I'm not taking your comments out of context here, but it needs to be remembered that it's not usually the collision with the door that kills, but being run over by vehicle in the next lane as you either swerve to miss the door or get bounced out onto the roadway.jules21 wrote:for the record, i think he's right that cyclists have an obligation to steer clear of an open door, when it's been opened for long enough to allow that. but who in their right mind would ride into a door like that? the reality is, these crashes happen when doors are opened unexpectedly into the paths of cyclists. we know that of course.
The guy who was the subject of the inquest died that way, as did the young British nurse in NZ, and my late cousin's riding buddy in Old Bar NSW.
So, yeah, if I couldn't brake in time I'd choose to hit the door ... and hopefully use the old fart who opened it as cushioning. Better that than becoming road pizza.
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Postby jules21 » Tue May 08, 2012 1:28 pm
i certainly understand that, but that wasn't what i was referring to. my point was that in many cases:trailgumby wrote:Hope I'm not taking your comments out of context here, but it needs to be remembered that it's not usually the collision with the door that kills, but being run over by vehicle in the next lane as you either swerve to miss the door or get bounced out onto the roadway.
1. motorist looks to see if coast is clear.
2. motorist opens door if coast is clear.
3. motorist proceeds to unload kids/shopping/drugs from car while door is left open, trusting that any traffic approaching them will take appropriate action (no different to approaching a parked car blocking your lane).
in that circumstance, in my view, there is nothing dangerous about the motorist's actions and the onus should be on other traffic (inc. cyclists) to ensure a safe outcome.
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Re: Been doored recently ? It might be your fault.
Postby grasshopper » Tue May 08, 2012 1:48 pm
+1. I sent some 'feedback' to the news editor last night, and they have now added a correction. But just to rub it in, I've let them know it's now gone global.
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Postby iaintas » Tue May 08, 2012 2:12 pm
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Postby jules21 » Tue May 08, 2012 2:14 pm
yes it has. you can't be too careful with shows like MediaWatch aroundiaintas wrote:the link does not work for me has this article been removed by the ABC?
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Postby Ozkaban » Tue May 08, 2012 2:17 pm
grasshopper wrote:trailgumby wrote:But just to rub it in, I've let them know it's now gone global.
Thanks for that link. enjoyed the transitions video!
i also thought the ny blog pretty nicely summed up the presenters...
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Re: Been doored recently ? It might be your fault.
Postby Marto » Tue May 08, 2012 2:21 pm
What..? Then I could leave my car doors open on the street all the time!il padrone wrote:Had this discussion with the husband of a colleague...... a police officer. Most disturbing to hear a serving police officer argue that often it is not the driver/passenger's fault if a cyclist hits an opened car door He was trying to suggest that cyclists are required to keep clear, once a car door has been opened. Pretty dodgy hair-splitting to my way of thinking.
But how do they determine if the collision was with an opened or opening door?
When it is a car dooring another car, how is blame apportioned?
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Re: Been doored recently ? It might be your fault.
Postby birdbrain » Tue May 08, 2012 3:05 pm
I'm not surprised to hear anything that police officers say in relation to accidents. It seems to be to much effort for them to do anything other than jot down a few notes in their report. Try asking them to have a motorist charged with an offense and the response might be:Had this discussion with the husband of a colleague...... a police officer. Most disturbing to hear a serving police officer argue that often it is not the driver/passenger's fault if a cyclist hits an opened car door He was trying to suggest that cyclists are required to keep clear, once a car door has been opened. Pretty dodgy hair-splitting to my way of thinking.
"there were no witnesses".
"Excuse me Constable but there were witnesses including a member of the police force who happened to be in the car behind the car that caused the impact"
"Well other witnesses said differently but they don't want to get involved"
"are you going to charge the driver with an offense?"
"no"
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Postby queequeg » Tue May 08, 2012 3:46 pm
That's ok, because the original is on YouTubegrasshopper wrote:+1. I sent some 'feedback' to the news editor last night, and they have now added a correction. But just to rub it in, I've let them know it's now gone global.
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Postby Aushiker » Tue May 08, 2012 4:19 pm
Oh BTW the ABC will edit out any negative comments from its Facebook page.
Andrew
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Postby G-Ride » Tue May 08, 2012 5:10 pm
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Re: Been doored recently ? It might be your fault.
Postby KenGS » Tue May 08, 2012 5:25 pm
Not even the ABC agrees with that: http://www.abc.net.au/news/corrections/G-Ride wrote:Little wrong with that at all. To blame all incidents on motorists is just plain wrong - admittedly the quest for balance at the end was clumsy but the point was valid.
In my complaint I suggested to them that an on-air retraction was in order due to the impact on cyclist safety
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