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Re: Well waddaya know? New Queensland Boys Club Inc.

Postby Oxford » Sat Jun 09, 2012 11:30 am

regarding # 6, maybe car motorists should also have to get out of their vehicles and push them through car parks as well. that sounds like a good idea to me, well its only as stupid as some of their ideas after all.
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Re: Well waddaya know? New Queensland Boys Club Inc.

Postby il padrone » Sat Jun 09, 2012 11:32 am

Man with a red flag walking ahead at all times, sounds like a great idea to me :P :mrgreen:
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Re: Well waddaya know? New Queensland Boys Club Inc.

Postby The 2nd Womble » Sat Jun 09, 2012 12:02 pm

Wheres the rest. Ever see Rule 31? Women over the age of 18 (unless married at an earlier age in which case medical clearance from a specialist is required) MUST ride side saddle at all times.

Rule 17. A cyclist who is injured and reasonably impeding the normal flow of traffic in any direction, MUST remove themselves - and any body parts that may have been knocked off - to the roadside imediately and put their hand up.
Exceptions to the Rule apply to unconcious or dead persons, or those who've had both arms knocked off. In this instance they will be allowed more time to put their hand up.
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Re: Well waddaya know? New Queensland Boys Club Inc.

Postby Mulger bill » Sat Jun 09, 2012 12:49 pm

So called "professional" road users of all kinds are some of the absolute worst of them all, could it be their sense of entitlement is larger?
"I use the road to earn a crust, while YOU are just getting in MY way by trying to get somewhere, yield or be sideswiped."

I bet that Nightingale CLOWN wears a bib all the time to keep his uniform shirt drool and junk food free.

Does anyone have the resources/knowledge to investigate the relationship between Mr Birdbrain and the editorial staff/owners of that delightful litter tray liner? It sounds a just a teensy little bit too cosy IMO.
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Re: Well waddaya know? New Queensland Boys Club Inc.

Postby The 2nd Womble » Sat Jun 09, 2012 1:03 pm

Idon't know that there'd be any cozyness going on Mulger. It could simply be that there are so many robberies, armed holdups, illegal P Platers at midnight on the M1 races, incidents involving youths bashing bus drivers and their passengers, multi million dollar drug seizures and bikie wars looming over whats left, new highrises popping up everywhere, preparations for the Commonwealth Games destroying peoples lives, food poisonings and conmen ripping off entire communities full of old people, that actual news worthy print would make people sad. The kind of folk who buy the GC Bulletin/Sun are struggling to enjoy their idyllic sub-tropical lives as it is.
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Re: Well waddaya know? New Queensland Boys Club Inc.

Postby Mulger bill » Sat Jun 09, 2012 1:15 pm

Didn't the GC abandon its tilt at Australian Idyll back in the late '80s? :?
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Re: Well waddaya know? New Queensland Boys Club Inc.

Postby il padrone » Sat Jun 09, 2012 2:01 pm

Mulger bill wrote:So called "professional" road users of all kinds are some of the absolute worst of them all, could it be their sense of entitlement is larger?
"I use the road to earn a crust, while YOU are just getting in MY way by trying to get somewhere, yield or be sideswiped."

I must say that my experience of the real professional drivers (long distance semi and B-double truck drivers) when I have been cycling on rural highways is that they are the most considerate of all road users. Riding Melbourne to Adelaide, and on my commuting run, they are the first (and most consistent) to change a full lane width to overtake me on my bike.
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Re: Well waddaya know? New Queensland Boys Club Inc.

Postby Mulger bill » Sat Jun 09, 2012 2:25 pm

I did say some :P

I've limited experience with the big wheelers. Mostly it's taxis, skybus, white vans and bike couriers.
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Re: Well waddaya know? New Queensland Boys Club Inc.

Postby il padrone » Sat Jun 09, 2012 2:27 pm

Mulger bill wrote:I've limited experience with the big wheelers. Mostly it's taxis, skybus, white vans and bike couriers.

Ah yes. The riff raff of the industry :roll:
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Re: Well waddaya know? New Queensland Boys Club Inc.

Postby ldrcycles » Sat Jun 09, 2012 11:15 pm

+1 to MB AND IPs comments, i'm a cyclist and a 'professional' driver (well sorta technically, i deliver pizzas on weekends) and while the blokes who drive the big semis etc are usually excellent drivers, courteous, sensible and so on, i've reported several taxis recently for running red lights and other dangerous behaviour, and you can often rely on couriers to drive dangerously. These are generalisations of course.
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Re: Well waddaya know? New Queensland Boys Club Inc.

Postby The 2nd Womble » Sun Jun 10, 2012 11:05 am

The "information" that Mr Nightingale aggreed to send me amounted to this (and he couldn't even be bothered to get my name right):


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Dear Mr Davies

Re our Conversation

As promised here are the position our association has taken as to the matter concerning motorists and road safety.

To address your main concerns and objections to Registration.

As you are aware at this time there is no way for police to effectively identify Cyclists who break the current laws.

In our evidence we have numerous photographs of cyclists using the roads , not wearing helmets , in groups breaking the most common laws , not using safety equipment at night , crossing roads at red lights, failing to signal, etc, etc, etc.

None of these offenders can be identified, nor if they go off road can they be caught. Cyclists are aware of this and although it may be a minority , they use this to do as they wish with no disregard because they can not be fined.

Despite the angry responses we see regularly from cyclists , we do not get emotional , nor do we lose focus on what we are trying to achieve which are safer roads.

We are aware that some motorists do attack cyclists, they do cause accidents, however they carry registration numbers and can be fined for leaving the scene of an accident, by causing a hazzard, for road rage against a cyclist, and a number of other offences which they can be tracked down and dealt with by police.

The overall facts are that none of your fraternity are willing to police other cyclists, and even if they could they would not be able to because they can not identify other riders.

Our Proposal for Registration comes in the following manner

Only those cyclists who wish to use the roads have to be registered.
(it is legal for a cyclist to use a footpath providing he or she abides by the laws that cover that surface , section 250 of the road laws)

Registration would not be of the bicycle it would be of the rider, thusly if a rider has more than one bicycle then he or she would simply clip the registration plate to the bicycle being used.

The cost would be yearly and would be kept to the minimum as we outlined.

Children would not have to be registered until the age of 16.

I am afraid after all we have seen it is a matter we can not negotiate on , only refine.




Other laws we seek to be changed and added

We are seeking to have bicycle riders restricted from using roads where the speed limit exceeds 70kph unless a bicycle lane is present on the road ( it is an offence for any vehicle to travel 30kph under the speed limit and our research shows the average speed of a rider is under that 40kph minimum requirement)

We are seeking that riding on a road where there are no bicycle lanes riders may only ride single file (reference to current law section 253)

We are seeking that some roads be marked with no bicycle signs (where the roads are to narrow to be classed as safe and alternate shared paths run in parallel)

Note :- remember there are some roads where motorists can not travel and some that have lanes that motorists can not use (T3)

We have also recommended changes such as better safety equipment to be used at night

Also changes in penalties such as increases to match motorists
for example current fine for not wearing a helmet - $100
current fine for not wearing a seat belt - $300 + loss of two points off drivers licence.

revised for not wearing a helmet - $300 + loss of two points off drivers licence.
(as you are aware when you drive multi vehicles , motorbike, motor vehicle, truck, an offence in one vehicle affects ability to drive all)

For being caught drunk in charge of a bicycle – same result as a vehicle , same fine, same loss of all licences.

Responsibility on the road needs to be equally shared, safety on the road is paramount.

We support healthy living that is why we are working to have extra bicycle only paths made available so riders can cycle to work and back.

We support safe roads and as equal share is possible.

We do not support attitudes or ego's that place an individuals wish to travel fast all the time on a bicycle , motorists have to slowdown and travel at safe speeds at schools , in suburban streets, and those who do not get caught and get taken off the roads as unsafe users.

If you have further questions please do not hesitate to ask.

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Re: Well waddaya know? New Queensland Boys Club Inc.

Postby The 2nd Womble » Sun Jun 10, 2012 11:07 am

I have a very long list of questions but they're kind of rhetorical.
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Re: Well waddaya know? New Queensland Boys Club Inc.

Postby Mulger bill » Sun Jun 10, 2012 11:27 am

It really sounds like he's upset that somebody seems to be getting something that he isn't. :roll:

Pretty sure the bit about 30km/h under does not apply where the vehicle is not travelling "unreasonably" slowly :?

Of course, this IS Queensland...

Dave, can you ask him on my behalf how many plated vehicles being naughty he's got photos of and the result of all the reports he has filed about them?

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Re: Well waddaya know? New Queensland Boys Club Inc.

Postby The 2nd Womble » Sun Jun 10, 2012 11:35 am

It's Mr Davies or Sir to you MB, and do you want to hurt his feelings with queries?
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Re: Well waddaya know? New Queensland Boys Club Inc.

Postby KenGS » Sun Jun 10, 2012 11:39 am

I'd answer him along the lines of:
Glad to find someone who is equally concerned with road safety. Your proposal for delivery drivers to be exempted from seat belt wearing has me concerned for their safety. However. I believe that could be addressed by making it mandatory for them to wear a helmet whilst driving without a seatbelt. In an accident a bicycle style helmet would protect them from head injury which can be quite severe even at speeds as low as 30km/h. I'd be happy to support you on such a proposal which would protect the health and safety of your members but also allow them to go about their vital business quickly and efficiently.
Also, they would need to be registered as a delivery driver so they can show they are exempted from the usual seatbelt laws if stopped by police to ensure they can quickly go about their work without delay.
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Re: Well waddaya know? New Queensland Boys Club Inc.

Postby The 2nd Womble » Sun Jun 10, 2012 11:41 am

Then again, as previously mentioned, the IDP (what have the Romans ever done for us?!) want an exemption from their drivers being required to wear seat belts when making short trips ie: your average 10-12 hours a day as a courier driver, so maybe, just maybr, their genuine and reasoned calls for increased road safety should be taken a bit more seriously. Lets give the guy a pffff ffff ffff hahahahaaaaaa! :lol:

Sorry, I'm being biased.
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Re: Well waddaya know? New Queensland Boys Club Inc.

Postby The 2nd Womble » Sun Jun 10, 2012 11:42 am

Bugger. You beat me to it Ken.
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Re: Well waddaya know? New Queensland Boys Club Inc.

Postby Mulger bill » Sun Jun 10, 2012 11:43 am

Terribly sorry Cur. :twisted:

Pretty sure it's not his feelings in need of hurt...


EDIT. Ooooh, nice one Ken. :mrgreen:
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Re: Well waddaya know? New Queensland Boys Club Inc.

Postby il padrone » Sun Jun 10, 2012 12:08 pm

The 2nd Womble wrote:The "information" that Mr Nightingale aggreed to send me amounted to this (and he couldn't even be bothered to get my name right):

To address your main concerns and objections to Registration.

As you are aware at this time there is no way for police to effectively identify Cyclists who break the current laws.

Hmm... always this :?

There's no way to identify pedestrians who walk against the red man..... registration

There's no way to identify thieves who rob service stations..... registration

There's no way to identify drunks who p!ss in the bushes..... registration

The multi-purpose fixer, registration for all I say :mrgreen:
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Re: Well waddaya know? New Queensland Boys Club Inc.

Postby The 2nd Womble » Sun Jun 10, 2012 1:02 pm

Registrtion for armed robbers? The Gold Coast really could use that atm :lol:
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Re: Well waddaya know? New Queensland Boys Club Inc.

Postby high_tea » Sun Jun 10, 2012 2:48 pm

Mulger bill wrote:It really sounds like he's upset that somebody seems to be getting something that he isn't. :roll:


That's about the size of it: he seems to think that no vehicle should be able to use the road on terms more favourable than motor vehicles.

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Re: Well waddaya know? New Queensland Boys Club Inc.

Postby The 2nd Womble » Sun Jun 10, 2012 2:54 pm

If SCA was to start producing "Cyclists, getting a free ride and loving it" would it be counterproductive?
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Re: Well waddaya know? New Queensland Boys Club Inc.

Postby Mulger bill » Sun Jun 10, 2012 3:26 pm

The 2nd Womble wrote:If SCA was to start producing "Cyclists, getting a free ride and loving it" would it be counterproductive?

Yes! But pith funny anyway...

Maybe make it as a QR code sticker...
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Re: Well waddaya know? New Queensland Boys Club Inc.

Postby greyhoundtom » Sun Jun 10, 2012 6:53 pm

I really don’t think he has gone quite far enough............
All bikes that ride on roads should be fitted with bull bars and roll cages as a safety measure..........this will also make it easier to have somewhere to fit the registration plates. :twisted:
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Re: Well waddaya know? New Queensland Boys Club Inc.

Postby Oxford » Sun Jun 10, 2012 6:57 pm

greyhoundtom wrote:I really don’t think he has gone quite far enough............
All bikes that ride on roads should be fitted with bull bars and roll cages as a safety measure..........this will also make it easier to have somewhere to fit the registration plates. :twisted:

you forgot the rod holders.
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