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Re: Well waddaya know? New Queensland Boys Club Inc.

Postby The 2nd Womble » Sun Jun 10, 2012 7:49 pm

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Problems with Bicycle riders has come to a current situation of almost a war between cyclists and motorists.
A lack of regulations and identification of those persons in the cycling fraternity who flaunt laws that are current is compounded by in many cases ignorance by the offenders.
We have found that the majority of problems are caused by cyclists who class themselves as semi professionals who use the roads much like a hoon does , their purpose is a social gathering , combined with speed.
We believe that a combination of law changes and the ability for police to police the laws would result in safer and better flowing roads .
We believe the best solution to be found for this issue is to lobby both state and council for changes in the laws and the ability for certain cyclists to ride where the danger to us and them is extreem.








SUBMISSIONS TO STATE

PROPOSED CHANGES TO

Transport Operations (Road Use Management) Act 1995
Transport Operations (Road
Use Management—Road
Rules)




Current
151 Riding a motorbike or bicycle alongside more than 1
other rider
(1) The rider of a motorbike or bicycle must not ride on a road
that is not a multi-lane road alongside more than 1 other rider,
unless subsection (3) applies to the rider.

(3) The rider of a motorbike or bicycle may ride alongside more
than 1 other rider if the rider is overtaking the other riders.
(4) If the rider of a motorbike or bicycle is riding on a road that is
not a multi-lane road alongside another rider, or in a marked
lane alongside another rider in the marked lane, the rider must
ride not over 1.5m from the other rider.
Maximum penalty—20 penalty units.

PROPOSED CHANGES

Riding a bicycle alongside more than 1
other rider
(1) The rider of a motorbike or bicycle must not ride on a road
that is not a multi-lane road alongside xxxxx other rider, unless in a bicycle storage area (bicycle lane) if a bicycle unless subsection (3) applies to the rider.

(3) The rider of a motorbike or bicycle may ride on a road
that is not a multi-lane road alongside
xxxxx1 other rider if the rider is overtaking the other rider, providing it is practical to do so without obstructing passing drivers unless subsection (6) applies to the rider.

(4) If the rider of a motorbike or bicycle is riding on a road that is
not a multi-lane road xxxxx, or in a marked
lane whilst passing another rider in the marked lane or road, the rider must
ride not over 1.5m from the other rider.

(6) The rider of a motorbike or bicycle must not overtake another rider on a road
that is not a multi-lane road when traveling over a bridge , across a marked pedestrian crossing or intersection.

Maximum penalty—20 penalty units.



(7) The rider of a xxxx bicycle must not ride on a road
that is xxxxx a multi-lane road alongside more than 1 other rider,
unless subsection (9) applies to the rider.

(9) The rider of a xxxxx bicycle on a road
that is a multi-lane road may ride alongside more
than 1 other rider if the rider is overtaking the other riders.

(10) If the rider of a xxxxx bicycle is riding on a road that is
xxx a multi-lane road alongside another rider, or in a marked
lane alongside another rider in the marked lane, the rider must
ride not over 1.5m from the other rider.


NEW

A BICYCLE RIDER MAY NOT

1. Ride on a road where the speed limit exceeds 70kph unless a bicycle storage area (bicycle lane) is marked.
2. Ride on a road marked with a no bicycle sign.


3. Cross a road way at a pedestrian crossing whilst mounted.

4. Use a roadway unless registered to do so. (exemption to this rule , a child who is escorted by a registered road user who is under the age of 15)

5. Travel on a shared pathway or footpath in a manner to be declared hazardous to the safety of pedestrians. ( example – weaving, high speed ,etc)

6. Enter a car park , privately owned or council , whilst mounted

7. make a right hand turn across a roadway without signaling his or her intention by hand signal


SAFETY EQUIPMENT
After witnessing a number of recent accidents we believe a change needs to be made to the equipment used by cyclists when traveling in the dark.

We recommend that the inclusion of high visibility reflective strips to be displayed on the back of a cyclist would releave this problem as it does for road workers, and any other person on a roadway or in a darkened car park or loading area because of the constant trend for cyclists to wear black or dark colored lycra riding suits.

REGISTRATION

We believe that the reason so many cyclists flaunt the current laws is because of the same reason a person who likes to speed covers or distorts his registration plate , because they can not be identified , even if pulled over by police , hence the reason they believe they can do as they wish.

It is our recommendation that a registration system for cyclists should come about.
We have spoken to Cycling Safety Australia over this matter and they agree with the idea cyclists should be registered.

We recommend the following

Any Cyclist intending to use the roadways should be registered and their details listed , we believe the cost of these stickers should reflect their cost only and only adults over the age of 17 should pay to access the roads.
We believe the cost would amount to approx $20 to $30 per annum and should be renewed yearly.
An exception to this would be a child not attending school (primary or secondary).

We believe that the government should issue free registration to children attending school (primary or secondary). The extra benefits of being able to educate our younger road users to obey laws before they progress to motor vehicles would outweigh the cost.

The Stickers should be of a simple design with adhesive backing and should be attached to the rear of helmets.

Registration stickers for adults should take the following format.
R 00000001
01/01/2012



Children's stickers should be of a similar design and formatted to reflect the wearer is a child, similarly a secondary format for those over the age of 14.


Summary
We believe that these changes can have the best affect on making the current road situations safer, assist in policing of laws and make a large impact on the education of the younger generation who shall become motorists.

We believe that penalties for breeches of these laws should reflect the offenses, not limiting the possibility that breaches by youth could affect their opportunities to gain drivers licenses and for the worst of adults , the loss of their driving licenses.
AN EXAMPLE OF THIS IS TO RAISE THE PENALITY TO $300 FROM $100 AND IF THEY HAVE A DRIVERS LICENCE A LOSS OF TWO POINTS


SUBMISSIONS TO COUNCILS

GOLD COAST

AT THIS TIME
we have made two major recommendations to council
The first is a reconfigeration of bicycle ways along the coast
an example is to close marine parade to bicycle riders and direct them onto the shared paths running from biggera waters to the Spit.
A simular closure would occur for Garfield and Hedges at Broadbeach / Mermaid .

In conjunction with this we are making representations to the Federal Government to take up the option to fund the other half of the Oceanway project.

With cyclists directed onto this pathway which shall be nominated as Bicycles only it will take riders away from traffic flow and create a safe corridor from one end of the coast to the other.
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Re: Well waddaya know? New Queensland Boys Club Inc.

Postby The 2nd Womble » Sun Jun 10, 2012 7:50 pm

So how many of us are calling the Gold Coast City Council next week?
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Re: Well waddaya know? New Queensland Boys Club Inc.

Postby Oxford » Sun Jun 10, 2012 8:11 pm

based on what I just read, they'll be waiting a long time for any of that to happen. just imagine how JCDecaux will react as their bicycle hire/advertising scheme will go further down the tube as registration costs get loaded into the bloated membership fee. remembering the now premier CanDo was the one who started the hire scheme, does he really want his idea being strangled further?

the transport minister is against it already.

cycling no matter how it is perceived is seen a a viable and preferred transport alternative, anything to stem its growth will be ignored.

the reality is motor vehicles are a greater menace than bicycles and a greater financial burden to society.
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Re: Well waddaya know? New Queensland Boys Club Inc.

Postby il padrone » Sun Jun 10, 2012 8:23 pm

The 2nd Womble wrote:https://sites.google.com/site/independentdriversassoc/home/current-projects/bicycle-riders


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Bicycle Riders

Problems with Bicycle riders has come to a current situation of almost a war between cyclists and motorists.....

<snip much bull's deposit>


Methinks Mr Nightingale has been tickling his tossle too much :roll: . He has a wildly inflated sense of his own importance.
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Re: Well waddaya know? New Queensland Boys Club Inc.

Postby The 2nd Womble » Sun Jun 10, 2012 8:27 pm

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Re: Well waddaya know? New Queensland Boys Club Inc.

Postby Mulger bill » Sun Jun 10, 2012 8:58 pm

Not surprised he's single. His whole campaign is proof positive that Mrs Palmer is not a good lover...

Dave, Sir... Have you noticed that googling "Cycling Safety Australia" has your site as first hit? No wonder you're getting flames :roll: You gotta put up a banner on the front page-a real in yer facer-that unequivocally states what SCA thinks of this big shoe wearing onanist.
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Re: Well waddaya know? New Queensland Boys Club Inc.

Postby KenGS » Sun Jun 10, 2012 9:12 pm

Looks like he's taking on the motorcycle community as well. Could get interesting if the more colourful elements get in on the act. :twisted:
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Re: Well waddaya know? New Queensland Boys Club Inc.

Postby The 2nd Womble » Sun Jun 10, 2012 9:17 pm

Mulger bill wrote:Not surprised he's single. His whole campaign is proof positive that Mrs Palmer is not a good lover...

Dave, Sir... Have you noticed that googling "Cycling Safety Australia" has your site as first hit? No wonder you're getting flames :roll: You gotta put up a banner on the front page-a real in yer facer-that unequivocally states what SCA thinks of this big shoe wearing onanist.
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Re: Well waddaya know? New Queensland Boys Club Inc.

Postby The 2nd Womble » Sun Jun 10, 2012 9:19 pm

Mulger bill wrote:Not surprised he's single. His whole campaign is proof positive that Mrs Palmer is not a good lover...

Dave, Sir... Have you noticed that googling "Cycling Safety Australia" has your site as first hit? No wonder you're getting flames :roll: You gotta put up a banner on the front page-a real in yer facer-that unequivocally states what SCA thinks of this big shoe wearing onanist.


Oh yeah, thats what I jumped on the computer 2 hours ago for before getting carried away creating demotivational posters :?
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Re: Well waddaya know? New Queensland Boys Club Inc.

Postby A_P » Sun Jun 10, 2012 9:20 pm

Coincidentally rainbow couriers, to which he shows some affiliation by the link at the bottom of his face book page, has a postal address of marine parade biggera waters.
Just so happens that this is one of the roads on the GC that he feels cyclists should be banned from cycling on.
The 2nd Womble wrote:an example is to close marine parade to bicycle riders and direct them onto the shared paths running from biggera waters to the Spit.
A simular closure would occur for Garfield and Hedges at Broadbeach / Mermaid .

as i go past "Robyn Lodge" on my daily commute to work i might just have to sing extra loud :twisted:
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Re: Well waddaya know? New Queensland Boys Club Inc.

Postby Mulger bill » Sun Jun 10, 2012 9:26 pm

The 2nd Womble wrote:
Mulger bill wrote:Not surprised he's single. His whole campaign is proof positive that Mrs Palmer is not a good lover...

Dave, Sir... Have you noticed that googling "Cycling Safety Australia" has your site as first hit? No wonder you're getting flames :roll: You gotta put up a banner on the front page-a real in yer facer-that unequivocally states what SCA thinks of this big shoe wearing onanist.


Oh yeah, thats what I jumped on the computer 2 hours ago for before getting carried away creating demotivational posters :?


You gotta do it mate, bugger this place for an hour and get on it. Don't s'pose there'd be legal options?
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Re: Well waddaya know? New Queensland Boys Club Inc.

Postby The 2nd Womble » Sun Jun 10, 2012 9:40 pm

Now sorted MB. Thanks for the reminder! As for legal options? If I get any more threatening phone calls, options will be looked into.
I have also tweeted the reporter involved. With bugger all followers there is no way in Hell she could have missed a direct message and tweet, but as yet she's kept her mouth shut. A handy talent for a journo but her timing was off.
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Re: Well waddaya know? New Queensland Boys Club Inc.

Postby Mulger bill » Sun Jun 10, 2012 9:47 pm

The 2nd Womble wrote:Now sorted MB. Thanks for the reminder! As for legal options? If I get any more threatening phone calls, options will be looked into.
I have also tweeted the reporter involved. With bugger all followers there is no way in Hell she could have missed a direct message and tweet, but as yet she's kept her mouth shut. A handy talent for a journo but her timing was off.


Goodonyer Dave, it jumps out nicely. One question tho'.

What is a "bycycle"? :P
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Re: Well waddaya know? New Queensland Boys Club Inc.

Postby The 2nd Womble » Sun Jun 10, 2012 9:53 pm

It's a registered bike.
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Re: Well waddaya know? New Queensland Boys Club Inc.

Postby Mulger bill » Sun Jun 10, 2012 10:11 pm

:lol: :lol: Nice comeback :)
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Re: Well waddaya know? New Queensland Boys Club Inc.

Postby greyhoundtom » Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:03 am

Mulger bill wrote:
The 2nd Womble wrote:Now sorted MB. Thanks for the reminder! As for legal options? If I get any more threatening phone calls, options will be looked into.
I have also tweeted the reporter involved. With bugger all followers there is no way in Hell she could have missed a direct message and tweet, but as yet she's kept her mouth shut. A handy talent for a journo but her timing was off.


Goodonyer Dave, it jumps out nicely. One question tho'.

What is a "bycycle"? :P

The 2nd Womble wrote:It's a registered bike.

No a registered bike would have to be a regcycle, a bycycle is a bike that has gone past you, as opposed to a stolen bike which then becomes a byecycle or a byebyecycle.

Anyway in reality there will be no registered bicycles only registered helmets, as that is where the registration plate is to be affixed.

This will also allow a higher fine for not wearing a helmet as this will then constitute unregistered riding. This will also make it damn dangerous to lend your helmet to another rider as this could mean you will cop any fines and demerit points for their law breaking, and it will be difficult to prove you were not wearing it at the time.

It will also make it much more difficult to dodge demerit points by giving some old age pensioner a few dollars for signing a stat dec saying they were wearing the helmet at the time of the offence, particularly if it involves a speeding fine for doing 60 km per hour in a 40 zone.
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Well waddaya know? New Queensland Boys Club Inc.

Postby kb » Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:41 am

I want to know where we can get "breeches of these laws". Sounds natty.
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Postby find_bruce » Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:04 am

LMAO greyhoundtom, nice to see someone treating the idea with the respect it deserves.
kb wrote:I want to know where we can get "breeches of these laws". Sounds natty.

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Re: Well waddaya know? New Queensland Boys Club Inc.

Postby Oxford » Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:25 am

greyhoundtom wrote:...

Anyway in reality there will be no registered bicycles only registered helmets, as that is where the registration plate is to be affixed.

...

what if I own more than one helmet? will I have to register all of my helmets? what if I use my moto helmet for bike use, does that count as paying twice? once for the helmet and once for the moto? sounds like a money grab to me, trying to tax all these rich cyclists, cause cyclists save so much money not maintaining a motor vehicle. wait a minute, most of us do own and maintain a motor vehicle.
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Re: Well waddaya know? New Queensland Boys Club Inc.

Postby nitramluap » Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:33 am

I like the way the photo on his site is clearly taken by the driver of a motor vehicle (probably him) of a cyclist doing nothing other than committing the heinous crime of riding without a helmet. Who is more dangerous...? This guy's a nutter.
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Re: Well waddaya know? New Queensland Boys Club Inc.

Postby KenGS » Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:05 am

kb wrote:I want to know where we can get "breeches of these laws". Sounds natty.

And we need to stop these people who go around flaunting the law. I flaunted the law today by stopping at red lights and proclaimed it to everyone ostentatiously.
flaunt (flônt). v. flaunt·ed, flaunt·ing, flaunts. v.tr. 1. To exhibit ostentatiously or shamelessly: flaunts his knowledge.
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Re: Well waddaya know? New Queensland Boys Club Inc.

Postby il padrone » Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:06 am

Email sent

Dear Sir

This photo from your website's page on bicycle riders and proposed changes to Qld road
rules shows a cyclist riding in a bike lane. I think perhaps you are suggesting the
cyclist has no helmet, but it is very difficult to tell as the photo is so tiny.

https://sites.google.com/site/independe ... edirects=0


Regardless of the behaviour of the cyclist, this photo stands as evidence of the
photographer's own unsafe and illegal driving, by using a mobile phone to take photos
whilst driving. Not a good look.

There is much more I could say about your proposed road safety improvements, but I
don't have the time. Suffice to say that for the 1500 or so Australians that are killed
on the roads every year, the most dangerous vehicle is the motor car.

I am thankful your organisation is in Qld. Stay there.
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Re: Well waddaya know? New Queensland Boys Club Inc.

Postby il padrone » Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:13 am

nitramluap wrote:This guy's a nutter.

The sad thing is, he's probably not. He's just displaying publicly some of the more base responses that many people have to an 'out group' when that out group bothers them, is seen as inconveniencing them, or is perceived as getting undeserved treatment.

Mabo was screened last night. Some of the responses towards aborigines in Qld (and other parts of Australia) in the 60s-80s were not too different to Mr Nightingale's attitudes to cyclists.
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Re: Well waddaya know? New Queensland Boys Club Inc.

Postby il padrone » Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:29 am

Some more relevant opinion on registration in today's Age. :mrgreen:

HECKLER

THEY'RE a menace on the road. I think you know who I'm talking about.

Anyone would think they own the road the way they carry on!

All they do is hold up traffic. Have you ever been stuck behind one of them?

They simply ignore the road rules. ''Oh no, they don't apply to us. Red lights, what are they?'' There's a crossing made just for them over there, but nah, they don't care, and anyway it's up to drivers to stay out of their way.

What would happen if you hit one of them? It'd be your fault, even though it's them flouting the law. And you'd have to pay to fix the damage to your car, because they're not insured, you know......
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Re: Well waddaya know? New Queensland Boys Club Inc.

Postby trailgumby » Mon Jun 11, 2012 12:30 pm

Got me! :lol:

I was about to go looking for the comments section so I cold rip this bloke a new one, and then I got to the punch line :lol:
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