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Postby newbikeorupgrade » Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:52 pm
It may include tunnels and land acquisitions.
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Postby Mulger bill » Fri Jun 22, 2012 11:21 pm
Ask him to lean on Toorak Ted about his myopic slashing of the infrastructure budget to zero in Vic.
An occasional streetsweep of approved freeway shoulders nationwide'd be nice too...
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Postby greyhoundtom » Sat Jun 23, 2012 7:51 pm
Unfortunately far too many local and State Authorities have no idea as to what is required.
It should include such items as minimum width of bike lanes, minimal standards in surface requirements, minimum distance away from signed parking areas to avoid dooring, bicycle lane signs and markings, etc. etc.
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Postby Ozkaban » Sat Jun 23, 2012 8:42 pm
+100gururug wrote:Ask him for green tax offsets for bicycle commuters/couriers. Better yet, give us some infrastructure and we'll pay for it with out carbon credits.
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Postby trailgumby » Sat Jun 23, 2012 8:45 pm
Oh, yes.greyhoundtom wrote:It should include such items as minimum width of bike lanes, minimal standards in surface requirements, minimum distance away from signed parking areas to avoid dooring, bicycle lane signs and markings, etc. etc.
Two metre minimum width bike lanes in addition to 2.5m car width so we can avoid the door zone without straying off the "road-related area" into the path of trucks or SUVs should a door suddenly open.
If that means binning a whole bunch of badly placed door zone bike lanes and painting bike symbols in the middle of suburban roads, well that'd be a shame wouldn' it?
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Postby il padrone » Sat Jun 23, 2012 8:52 pm
All these road design standards already exist, under Austroads.greyhoundtom wrote:It certainly would be nice if there was a Federal design and minimal safety standards of on road bicycle facilities.
Unfortunately far too many local and State Authorities have no idea as to what is required.
It should include such items as minimum width of bike lanes, minimal standards in surface requirements, minimum distance away from signed parking areas to avoid dooring, bicycle lane signs and markings, etc. etc.
State roads authorities (eg. Vicroads) know all too well what is required under the Austroads Guidelines, it's their bible however sometimes it's the will-power to follow it that is wanting. Unfortunately the implementation of Austroads rules is the grey area - States and local governments are not compelled to adhere to them at all times, they are guidelines to work towards rather than mandatory standards. I'd guess that the Feds do not have the power to compel state adherence, and it is often put into the 'too hard' basket by cash-strapped state governments.
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Postby The 2nd Womble » Sat Jun 23, 2012 11:28 pm
The previous Queensland Labor Government said they would have been happy to introduce new Vulnerable Road User legislation late last year, but that they were severely hamstrung by this bureaucratic red tape courtesy of other State/ Federal laws and guidelines.
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Postby greyhoundtom » Sun Jun 24, 2012 6:15 am
My bad.il padrone wrote:All these road design standards already exist, under Austroads.greyhoundtom wrote:It certainly would be nice if there was a Federal design and minimal safety standards of on road bicycle facilities.
Unfortunately far too many local and State Authorities have no idea as to what is required.
It should include such items as minimum width of bike lanes, minimal standards in surface requirements, minimum distance away from signed parking areas to avoid dooring, bicycle lane signs and markings, etc. etc.
State roads authorities (eg. Vicroads) know all too well what is required under the Austroads Guidelines, it's their bible however sometimes it's the will-power to follow it that is wanting. Unfortunately the implementation of Austroads rules is the grey area - States and local governments are not compelled to adhere to them at all times, they are guidelines to work towards rather than mandatory standards. I'd guess that the Feds do not have the power to compel state adherence, and it is often put into the 'too hard' basket by cash-strapped state governments.
Due to hotchpotch of cycling on road provisions, and more importantly the lack of provisions in far too many instances, including the regular occurrence where cycling facilities stop in the most dangerous situations and simply spill cyclists into dangerous intersections without any thought to their safety, made me believe that no overriding Federal guidelines existed.
But then if they are ignored because there is no real requirement to comply with them what good are they?
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Postby il padrone » Sun Jun 24, 2012 3:00 pm
Much of this comes down to our good old Constitution and the maintenance of state's powers. It really is the state governments that we have to work on to get change - hotch-potch as it will be.
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Postby high_tea » Sun Jun 24, 2012 5:30 pm
Oh, they have the power to compel: tied grants. Whether they want to get into that level of details is another matter, but the states depend on federal money in a big way. This money can, and does, come with strings attached.il padrone wrote:Yep, 100% agree that's the way it should be. But I'm just pointing out 'what is'. No point going to the Federal Minister and demanding they install standards that already exist.... or insisting they apply compulsion that they have not got the power to compel
Much of this comes down to our good old Constitution and the maintenance of state's powers. It really is the state governments that we have to work on to get change - hotch-potch as it will be.
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Postby g-boaf » Sun Jun 24, 2012 9:15 pm
Oh what a shame it would be. Some land-acquisitions and some nice new bicycle "highways" if you want to call them that would be just great.trailgumby wrote:Oh, yes.greyhoundtom wrote:It should include such items as minimum width of bike lanes, minimal standards in surface requirements, minimum distance away from signed parking areas to avoid dooring, bicycle lane signs and markings, etc. etc.
Two metre minimum width bike lanes in addition to 2.5m car width so we can avoid the door zone without straying off the "road-related area" into the path of trucks or SUVs should a door suddenly open.
If that means binning a whole bunch of badly placed door zone bike lanes and painting bike symbols in the middle of suburban roads, well that'd be a shame wouldn' it?
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Postby stanevelyn » Tue Jul 03, 2012 3:01 pm
Agree: But we have politicians and government beauracrats that still live in their ideal world of the 1940's. Who refuse to acknowledge that they are at least 50 years behind the civilised world in road building, traffic management, and infrastructure planning. About time they were voted out, and replaced by forward thinking individuals with the qualifications and experience to make change happen. Until then they, will always portray this country as backward in view of other cycle friendly nations who obviously can only see us as a laughing stock of road building incompetance.greyhoundtom wrote:It certainly would be nice if there was a Federal design and minimal safety standards of on road bicycle facilities.
Unfortunately far too many local and State Authorities have no idea as to what is required.
It should include such items as minimum width of bike lanes, minimal standards in surface requirements, minimum distance away from signed parking areas to avoid dooring, bicycle lane signs and markings, etc. etc.
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Postby il padrone » Fri Jul 06, 2012 11:15 am
That's our Ted Faillyou...... but everybody loves him and seems to think the sun shines out of his orificestanevelyn wrote:Agree: But we have politicians and government beauracrats that still live in their ideal world of the 1940's. Who refuse to acknowledge that they are at least 50 years behind the civilised world in road building, traffic management, and infrastructure planning. About time they were voted out.greyhoundtom wrote:It certainly would be nice if there was a Federal design and minimal safety standards of on road bicycle facilities.
Unfortunately far too many local and State Authorities have no idea as to what is required.
It should include such items as minimum width of bike lanes, minimal standards in surface requirements, minimum distance away from signed parking areas to avoid dooring, bicycle lane signs and markings, etc. etc.
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Postby Aushiker » Fri Jul 06, 2012 7:56 pm
Ausroadsgreyhoundtom wrote:It certainly would be nice if there was a Federal design and minimal safety standards of on road bicycle facilities.
Unfortunately far too many local and State Authorities have no idea as to what is required.
It should include such items as minimum width of bike lanes, minimal standards in surface requirements, minimum distance away from signed parking areas to avoid dooring, bicycle lane signs and markings, etc. etc.
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Postby greyhoundtom » Sat Jul 07, 2012 3:00 pm
So it does exist.........now how to get local authorities to comply with it
Time to go and see my local counselor for the Casey shire.
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