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Wheels of Justice

Postby Eleri » Sun Jun 24, 2012 12:22 pm

Today's Sydney Morning Herald has this story http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/wheels-of-justice-20120623-20ut3.html about a cyclist who was involved in an accident with a car in Sydney's Centennial Park.

Unbelievably, the police charged the cyclist. But he fought the fine ... and won!
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Re: Wheels of Justice

Postby il padrone » Sun Jun 24, 2012 12:38 pm

You're right about the "unbelievably" bit :shock: :roll: . Sheesh, how stoopid are Sydney coppers??


The cyclst was the only one injured and he's charged with riding negligently. How can you be found negligent to yourself???? :lol:
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Re: Wheels of Justice

Postby Eleri » Sun Jun 24, 2012 12:59 pm

Indeed! I ride in the same club as Marc and we all found it pretty remarkable that he was the one who got charged ... and not the driver.

Good on him for following through with it to its logical conclusion.
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Re: Wheels of Justice

Postby sogood » Sun Jun 24, 2012 1:02 pm

I called the "stupid junior copper syndrome". This is not the first time I've seen similar where they charged against overwhelming evidence. It's as if when they receive a case they'll need to issue at least one ticket to pay for their time. Unfortunately they have a habit of issuing to the wrong party.
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Re: Wheels of Justice

Postby trailgumby » Sun Jun 24, 2012 3:09 pm

Awarded $3200 in costs.

Video evidence FTW. :D
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Re: Wheels of Justice

Postby human909 » Sun Jun 24, 2012 3:30 pm

I find that the most unbelievable thing here is that the courts eventually came through for the cyclist!

Or am I being too cynical. :wink:
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Re: Wheels of Justice

Postby KonaCommuter » Sun Jun 24, 2012 3:33 pm

So, I take it that now the driver is going to be fined?
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Re: Wheels of Justice

Postby il padrone » Sun Jun 24, 2012 4:16 pm

trailgumby wrote:Awarded $3200 in costs.

Video evidence FTW. :D

Yes, but the really disturbing thing is, what about the humble cyclist riding without a video cam ? :( :evil:

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Re: Wheels of Justice

Postby marc2131 » Sun Jun 24, 2012 4:54 pm

KonaCommuter wrote:So, I take it that now the driver is going to be fined?


Driver guilty? We live in hope.

The copper in charge was 23yo. However his mentor was 39, and they were both reluctant to drop the charges despite the overwhelming evidence. Me thinks limited IQ had more to do with it than limited experience.
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Helmet Camera keeps Wheels of Justice Turning

Postby wombatK » Sun Jun 24, 2012 8:47 pm

Not good to hear that the police took the motorists side.

They ought to be embarassed about that - wonder what the minister for
police thinks about that ?
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Re: Wheels of Justice

Postby Sydguy » Sun Jun 24, 2012 9:28 pm

This case shows how bad things are, I'd laugh if this was in a Jim Carey movie.

Retrain the police, retrain the driver and arm cyclists.

Parks need to be better designed so cars don't rule them, a car park at the entrance then make the lazy people get out and walk in.

Then maybe your kids are not in serious danger within the park.

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Re: Wheels of Justice

Postby AUbicycles » Sun Jun 24, 2012 10:57 pm

Let's not forget that it was probably word against word so my guess why it was originally decided to fine the cyclist.
I did read the article and know that the video footage was submitted though don't know at which point it was received and whether it was properly reviewed.

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Re: Wheels of Justice

Postby PawPaw » Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:11 pm

Un-friggin-believeable...

You Sydney folk need to get in touch with Michael Gallacher, and straighten him out.
The NSW Police obviously have a thinly veiled hate thing with cyclists.

The way I see it, govt still panders to morons who think lycra is something narcissistic middle class twits wear.
And obese police suffering sub clinical depression from too much shift work while dealing with society's scumbags, are too willing to agree.
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Wheels of Justice

Postby find_bruce » Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:12 pm

I believe it is quite unusual for someone to be awarded costs against the police - cant recall the test, but think it is only where the magistrate decides there was no proper basis for being charged
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Re: Wheels of Justice

Postby Oxford » Mon Jun 25, 2012 7:15 am

imagine being hit then being charged with criminal damage to the car. its happened, this situation does not surprise me at all but good on the cyclist for fighting the rank stupidity of the police. and like this case, that other cyclist I referred to was found innocent and had their costs paid for by the police.
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Re: Wheels of Justice

Postby marc2131 » Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:56 pm

AUbicycles wrote:Let's not forget that it was probably word against word so my guess why it was originally decided to fine the cyclist.
I did read the article and know that the video footage was submitted though don't know at which point it was received and whether it was properly reviewed.


The video evidence was given to the Police within 24 hours of the accident. Hand delivered by one of the Dulwich Hill Bicycle Club members themselves. Paper was supplied in court to prove this. They had the evidence all along but still did not examine it properly. Totally contradicted their star witness. They were told this too on at least 2 occasions but they still refused to drop the charges and pursued it right to the end. They now have to explain the $3,200 court cost to their station boss now ... ha ha.
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Re: Wheels of Justice

Postby KonaCommuter » Mon Jun 25, 2012 4:20 pm

marc2131 wrote:
AUbicycles wrote:Let's not forget that it was probably word against word so my guess why it was originally decided to fine the cyclist.
I did read the article and know that the video footage was submitted though don't know at which point it was received and whether it was properly reviewed.


The video evidence was given to the Police within 24 hours of the accident. Hand delivered by one of the Dulwich Hill Bicycle Club members themselves. Paper was supplied in court to prove this. They had the evidence all along but still did not examine it properly. Totally contradicted their star witness. They were told this too on at least 2 occasions but they still refused to drop the charges and pursued it right to the end. They now have to explain the $3,200 court cost to their station boss now ... ha ha.



My money says that at least one Officer will spend the rest of his career as a Cop targeting Cyclists.



Many a moon ago I knew a cop who had a chip on his shoulder about cyclists. Every opportunity he got he’d give them a ticket. I often wonder if Officer A issues 99% of the states tickets to cyclists that’d raise a red flag?
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Re: Wheels of Justice

Postby Mulger bill » Mon Jun 25, 2012 6:28 pm

marc2131 wrote:The video evidence was given to the Police within 24 hours of the accident. Hand delivered by one of the Dulwich Hill Bicycle Club members themselves. Paper was supplied in court to prove this. They had the evidence all along but still did not examine it properly. Totally contradicted their star witness. They were told this too on at least 2 occasions but they still refused to drop the charges and pursued it right to the end. They now have to explain the $3,200 court cost to their station boss now ... ha ha.


Heart bleeds. Methinks this is called "accountability" in the popular press.

KonaCommuter wrote:My money says that at least one Officer will spend the rest of his career as a Cop targeting Cyclists.

Already is IMO. Let's hope this makes him think twice before he ignores hard evidence in favour of bigotry in future.
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Re: Wheels of Justice

Postby jules21 » Tue Jun 26, 2012 2:13 pm

KonaCommuter wrote:Many a moon ago I knew a cop who had a chip on his shoulder about cyclists. Every opportunity he got he’d give them a ticket.

that would appear to be the most likely explanation for this shamozzle too.
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Re: Wheels of Justice

Postby The 2nd Womble » Tue Jun 26, 2012 3:19 pm

Has anyone else noticed that BNSW has had absolutely no involvement in this case when it's become so well know nationally this week? and all on the same day I posted this:

"Education, education, education.
It's been the catch cry of our State Orgs for years. However the dismissive and convenient reply is heard most often from BQLD and BNV when asked of their opinions regarding minimum safe passing distances, increased law enforcement, Strict Liability, sustainable road engineering etc.
We ourselves at SCA have been directly criticised by both BQLD and BNV for being narrow minded, misguided and counterproductive when any and all of these issues are raised, but all of these factors are indicative of Australia's backward approach to road safety. The recent scramble by Governments to build inadequate an ill concieved cycling infrastructure in a desperate bid to delay the crisis that is already unfolding on our roads, is too little, too late.
In the past the AGF has also pleaded for increased awareness on both sides of the fence through education, but where the AGF differs from our State bodies is in their genuine commitment to the implimentation of such programs, and their acknowledgement that education is a corner stone, not the whole concrete pad.
Ask yourself, when was the last time any State Org publicly voiced regret at the death or serious injury of a cyclist? Here in Queensland we lost 9 riders in 9 months which is truely shocking, and yet the Org that claims to represent Queensland's cycling community had absolutely nothing to say. Absolutely nothing.
The topic has been increasingly raised by many who are becoming aware of the silence when there should be a roar from those that represent their paying members."

New South Wales' "peak body" is as dismissive of the treatment of their members as the NSW Police. Good on CNSW for getting stuck in on this one.
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Re: Wheels of Justice

Postby The 2nd Womble » Tue Jun 26, 2012 3:20 pm

...GOD I"M GOOD!
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Re: Wheels of Justice

Postby jules21 » Tue Jun 26, 2012 3:24 pm

The 2nd Womble wrote:Has anyone else noticed that BNSW has had absolutely no involvement in this case when it's become so well know nationally this week?

surely it's up to the victim to decide who he wants to ask for help? is there any evidence that he asked BNSW? it's not in the linked news article at least.
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Re: Wheels of Justice

Postby The 2nd Womble » Tue Jun 26, 2012 3:29 pm

Does advocacy wait for a dead man to raise his hand in the air? :shock:
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Re: Wheels of Justice

Postby The 2nd Womble » Tue Jun 26, 2012 3:30 pm

...well it actually does depending on the advocate... :?
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Re: Wheels of Justice

Postby find_bruce » Tue Jun 26, 2012 4:01 pm

jules21 wrote:
The 2nd Womble wrote:Has anyone else noticed that BNSW has had absolutely no involvement in this case when it's become so well know nationally this week?

surely it's up to the victim to decide who he wants to ask for help? is there any evidence that he asked BNSW? it's not in the linked news article at least.

I think you are being a bit harsh Dave.

Put yourself on the saddle of Mr Rerceretnam's bike - would you really want the "assistance" that the current mob at BNSW can provide ? :wink:
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